Hard News: Angry and thrilled about Arie
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Is the 3 month non association order up? If not, make plans, if so,act. Isn't there someone/s out here who can get them a chance to visit each other at least. C'mon, there is a need here to support them in the simplest way that the Police cant fuck up. An act of kindness would be to also get everyone organised to return their furniture when the time eventuates to piece their lives back together. and a cat at the SPCA has their name on it, surely?
Whether it be an earthquake or appalling Police brutality, the people of Christchurch need to help, again. Don't let the police win. That will be so many types of wrong. -
Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
“retards and crips have are sexless beings”? (Funny how often people will assume that David’s my father not my partner. FFS, I've got more white hair!)
Well that's easily solved.
" Hi this is my lover David. :)" -
Bart Janssen, in reply to
Serenity FTW!
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Gotta contrast Arie's treatment with the (reasonably) lenient treatment given to a security guard who stole over $2k worth of gear from the Harvey Norman he was "guarding".
I have difficulty understanding how (contrary to the bail laws) somebody could be jailed for stealing valueless items and not for egregious theft when in a position of trust. Maybe the real offence is conspicuously challenging authority - it's ok to loot as long as you do it discreetly while wearing some sort of uniform.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
security guard who stole over $2k worth of gear
Oh now that really sucks. Theft as a servant was always considered the worst form, because the "trust" is also taken. This is becoming more like a vendetta when you compare that persons outcome. If there was some consistency with these cases I would be inclined to think my prejudices might be unwarranted. Now I suspect I'm right.
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Rumour that Judith Collins has ordered police to drop charges against Arie S-V (and hopefully Michael too). Anyone heard any more?
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Good to see that there are several MPs watching this case. Rumours that the announcement about dropping charges will be made on Monday. Latest from GayNZ
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recordari, in reply to
Thanks for keeping this going Hilary. Hoping for a positive turnaround, or at least some humanity.
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merc,
Reparations and public police apology too please. Also an independent investigation into how often human rights breaches like this have occurred in the past, especially with reference to Christchurch.
Also a real commitment to training for all police with reference to youth and the use of psychological and physical trauma on them.
Also if there are any cultural issues around imported police and the army personal who may have been involved.
Also! Use of unnecessary police force (assault) and wrongful detention. I wont hold my breath. -
Even rapists and murderers don't usually "trip and fall down the stairs". Could it be that Arie is an easy national scapegoat who won't likely fight back his arrestors? Do people really think he's a would-be Martin Bryant in spite of evidence to the contrary?
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Update from GayNZ with info from Asperger Syndrome NZ
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Sacha, in reply to
It would be good if John could avoid confusing things by dragging the generator thieves into this. Not helpful.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Do people really think he’s a would-be Martin Bryant in spite of evidence to the contrary?
No, they don't think that. No one thinks that.
The Christchurch police are ineptly covering for original actions that are, in the context of the psychological bruising they had been subject to, forgivable. But only if they acknowledged wrong and apologised.
Instead, they have compounded the original offence. The non-association order we've now learned about is just unfathomably cruel. At some point, this has to stop. And, as I said way back in the original post, it is incumbent on the Minister to stop it if the police will not.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
The Christchurch police are ineptly covering for original actions that are, in the context of the psychological bruising they had been subject to, forgivable
Hardly. It wasn’t the police that had been psychologically bruised, it was the city. If this created an environment in which police brutality might be more then usually excused or even welcomed by the public opinion, it still wouldn’t make their actions forgiveable. But you’re right that they’ve managed to make matters even worse. And it really has to stop.
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Sacha, in reply to
The non-association order we've now learned about
I'm surprised the Sunday show did not mention it, given that they interviewed both Arie and Michael.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
So they're basically trying to save both their face and their arse. They can have one or the other, but not both.
What irked me were certain Stuff/Your Views comments taking a Nixonian "support your coppers & let them do their job" view, with corresponding bile about Arie bringing it all on himself despite the fact he wouldn't hurt a fly.
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HORansome, in reply to
I'll "+1" or "Like" Gio's comment. The police are in a position of power with respect to the public and the need to exercise a duty of care (even with respect to people who have engaged in criminal activity) is paramount, no matter the psychological bruising they might have suffered.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Hardly. It wasn’t the police that had been psychologically bruised, it was the city. If this created an environment in which police brutality might be more then usually excused or even welcomed by the public opinion, it still wouldn’t make their actions forgiveable. But you’re right that they’ve managed to make matters even worse. And it really has to stop.
I used the word “forgive” rather than “excuse” advisedly.
It’s reasonable to suppose that working police officers may have been particularly traumatised by the February earthquake and its aftermath, in a way that other residents might not have. They’ll also have been feeling the same emotions about “looters” as most of the city, and been in a position to act on them.
And yet there also also no doubt that they failed in both their duty of care and their professional standards. A restorative justice process that acknowledged that in a timely fashion would have been adequate for me. And, I think I am correct in saying, for Arie.
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giovanni tiso, in reply to
It’s reasonable to suppose that working police officers may have been particularly traumatised by the February earthquake and its aftermath, in a way that other residents might not have. They’ll also have been feeling the same emotions about “looters” as most of the city, and been in a position to act on them.
Items one to ten of their job description are about not abusing that authority, however. And you're not saying that it would have been okay for them to rough up actual honest-to-god looters, I presume, yes? There are broader issues than your feelings, or even Arie's, to consider in a determination of what would have been "forgiveable".
In fact pursuing a convinction so aggressively might just have been designed to create a scenario in which the police will be able to walk away simply by dropping the charges, as opposed to facing charges of their own for their treatment of a defenceless suspect. And to the extent that they might have lost some face, I suspect they care about material impunity more. (I could, of course, be completely wrong about this.)
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Sacha, in reply to
police will be able to walk away simply by dropping the charges
I suspect that would be the intent at this stage, yes.
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HORansome, in reply to
Thumbs up to Gio once again.
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Hilary Stace, in reply to
I suspect that the Sunday people didn't ask about Michael's plight or the non- association order, and Michael only revealed his own story on the Facebook page later. He seems a very self-effacing person with his main interest in supporting Arie. One of the shocking things about this whole saga is that injustice keeps compounding as more details are revealed.
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Sacha, in reply to
I'm imagining a conversation along the lines of "why can't we interview you both together then?"
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Items one to ten of their job description are about not abusing that authority, however. And you’re not saying that it would have been okay for them to rough up actual honest-to-god looters, I presume, yes?
I am not saying anything that happened to anyone outside best police practice was "okay" and, to be honest, I'm really struggling to keep a civil tongue with your for implying that.
What I am saying is that I hold police commanders, who had the ability to consider events in daylight, more culpable than the arresting officers. It was their job to hold their subordinates to account, to take steps to ensure it never happened again, and to effect a resolution. Which would, I think, have taken the form of a restorative justice action rather than a prosecution Arie repeatedly made it clear he did not want.
Christchurch police command, in the light of day, instead consciously decided on a strategy of cruel bullying and cover-up. That is unforgiveable.
There are broader issues than your feelings, or even Arie’s, to consider in a determination of what would have been “forgiveable”.
C'mon. Don't patronise me.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
I suspect that the Sunday people didn’t ask about Michael’s plight or the non- association order, and Michael only revealed his own story on the Facebook page later. He seems a very self-effacing person with his main interest in supporting Arie.
That was my understanding -- he deliberately didn't talk about his problems because he wanted the focus to be on Arie.
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