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Hard News: But seriously, drug policy

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  • steven crawford,

    There is a possibility economic possibility in medical research. I linked to a study on treating schizophrenia with the antipsychotic component, CBD. By again, the Americans are ahead of us, Just like genetic engineering, and environmentalism.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Here is a medical link where Germany is studying medical uses.

    Sorry about my crappy editing last comment:(

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Apart from an odd section promising to lean on Pharmac to ”take a lead role in seeking to reduce the inappropriate prescribing of drugs such as anti-depressants” (let’s leave that up to doctors and health researchers)

    A lighthearted rundown of some issues here (links within):

    In 1997, GlaxoSmithKline did something similar when they released the well-known antidepressant Wellbutrin as a pill that helps you quit smoking, but only after rebranding it as Zyban.

    The Sept 2014 Pharmac Schedule (PDF) shows Zyban is being subsidised to the tune of $4.95 (manufacturer’s price). Regardless of the merits of Zyban specifically, there’s a case to be made for heightened vigilance in the current market:

    GSK is under investigation by Chinese authorities over Rmb3bn (£320m) in potential bribes to individuals at every level of the healthcare system,


    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • S-L,

    Why has drugs become so strongly about politics..
    In the end people are still going to take cannibis regardless of if it's legal or not.
    Reducing anti-depressants is not worth a fight either, it's up to the individual who thinks they need it and the doctors who are in charge of prescribing it to say yes or no. Drugs is an addiction and, to some, a way of coping or just to try it out. If there was a way to reduce the intake it's too late because it's in pop culture and has already been introduced to this generation.
    They should be preventing the next generation to be aware of the drugs in existence and change the way people think about taking it.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Jackson, in reply to S-L,

    They should be preventing the next generation to be aware of the drugs in existence and change the way people think about taking it.

    I believe you need the opposite. You need the younger generation to be aware of drugs, and be aware of the potential problems with them. Withholding information is not the answer.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 619 posts Report Reply

  • S-L, in reply to Brent Jackson,

    With there being the potential problems is the potential benefits. I mean it's not like people aren't aware of the problems, its like smoking, there are images of the potential problems on the packet but people still smoke.
    In saying that, everything that happens is really about curiosity, drugs have a double standard of being good for you and bad for you.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Stewart, in reply to Dean Wallis,


    It's not like coming from a dysfunctional family isn't having more effect.
    And many dysfunctional families are as a result of problems which have political solutions.
    So maybe there's a political solution to consider?

    Te Ika A Maui - Whakatane… • Since Oct 2008 • 577 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Why has drugs become so strongly about politics..
    In the end people are still going to take cannibis regardless of if it’s legal or not.

    You might be forgetting that cannibis is political becouse it is illegal. Prescribed drugs don’t attract much political attention. Not even morphine. But if you get busted with morphine you where not prescribed, you might wind up in prison. One of the questions we could ask is: should we lock people if prison for having drug addiction problems? But that would soon become a political conversation.

    On the other hand. We could be having a conversation about harm reduction. Not political questions are – can locking people in prisons be harmful? And if you want to talk about alcohol which is a drug, you don’t get locked in prison for, a not political question is, can point of sale advertising, increase alcohol addiction in the population? But if the answer to ether of these questions is yes. Then it needs to get political. If we want to do anything about it.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4442 posts Report Reply

  • DexterX, in reply to Russell Brown,

    “These kids already get pot – the question is whether making them outlaws helps or harms them.

    I would certainly agree with him that supplying cannabis to people under 18 should be an offence.”

    Engaged some casual “site” labour for three weeks – as things progressed it turned out he, 17 years, is a stoner – has been taken into custody 12 times – none of these where drug offences and where largely disorder, driving offences, and thieving – before he was 16 is proud of that and that none of this shows in his record as he was a juvie at the time – the thefts were to get stuff to sell to get money for drugs – Dude also boasted to us that he has over $7,000 in unpaid fines – took a day off to appear in court about the fines Judge told him to arrange to clear it by arranging community service and he told the judge – "I'll see what I can do."

    Stoner Kid wanted me to give him a letter to the bank saying he is employed at so much a week so he can increase his overdraft and buy a car – his last car was crushed – he does not and has never held a drivers licence.

    He does not want me to declare his earnings as he is on a job seekers benefit – however – I will file them. Told me his Dad was on his back to get his wages so they could score some drugs.

    For Stoner Kid being 17 years old and having some extra cash is likely the life high water mark – can’t imagine it is anywhere but down for him and anyone he gets involved with. The thing that impressed me the most was his sense of entitlement and really high self esteem – he overreached and started telling us what to do in week three – anyone he got in car with he criticized the driving – he is a classic stoner.

    Can’t see whether cannabis was legal or illegal would make any difference for this type of stoner kid – whose first drug supplier would have been his parents.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1224 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I just don’t think that dope is the answer to our lack of economic sophistication.

    I'd imagine that the future internationally with the magic ingredients in marijuana is in converting it to a pill or liquid form. Selling dope as a medicine is going to involve law change in many places where you want to sell it and legalising smoking it.

    Having proper medicine made out of it delivered in forms we're much more comfortable with seems a lot more likely.

    Also then it's packaged in forms and prices etc that works in terms of transport and the market.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

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