Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Standards Matter

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  • 3410,

    Where do they get these ideas?

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    The provider would only be funded two-thirds of the cost of the child's course, with the final third paid as a performance bonus when the child succeeded.

    Well that is an incentive to get every kid achieving isn't it. Who wouldn't tick the box to get the bonus now?? " Little Billy was just below the pass line.....just a wee bit..." - Yeah Right.

    I wish these f*&kwits could understand that "bonus' " and "Incentives" schemes really screw systems up.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1588 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Hi all.

    Knocked out a quick summary of some of the more obvious flaws in the looney-tunes Roy paper. Feel free to carry it on here.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Hang on, who said the top 5% are necessarily privileged?

    I thought someone might ask. By being identified as "gifted"

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2537 posts Report Reply

  • Ngaire BookieMonster,

    I know the discussion has moved on from the ERO report on reading and writing in Years 1 and 2, but I had an interesting discussion about this with my mum who has taught the junior years for longer than she probably cares to remember.

    She feels there is a real problem with principals appointing first year teachers (and early career teachers) to New Entrants and year 1 and 2 classes. She thinks that in general they don't have the specific knowledge or experience to cope with students who are starting right at the beginning, with either very few or non-existent reading and writing skills, but they are being appointed either out of desperation or because they are seen as being enthusiastic (and possibly cheaper).

    Whilst this is obviously totally anecdotal, to me it indicates the shallowness of reducing a review of our education system to the sum of one statistic.

    At the foot of Mt Te Aroh… • Since Nov 2009 • 174 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    WTF does "succeed" mean in this context?

    Looking the same as an Act voter (clue: wealthy, mainly white, overwhelmingly smug and doltish). OK, I'll go to t'other thread.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW,

    the ERO report on reading and writing in Years 1 and 2 ...
    Whilst this is obviously totally anecdotal, to me it indicates the shallowness of reducing a review of our education system to the sum of one statistic.

    The ERO report indeed deserves more attention, good to come back to it.

    My summary of your post is not a bad description of the ERO report, and its style is closely modelled on the report's Overview summary in relation to the body of the report - selective, distortionary, overstates the anecdotal so 'The ERO report Overview is substantially anecdotal' gets misrepresented as "totally anecdotal". But leaves out that the original has numerous errors, and displays sub-standard achievement in numeracy and literacy.

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Ngaire BookieMonster,

    But leaves out that the original has numerous errors, and displays sub-standard achievement in numeracy and literacy.

    That's unpossible.

    At the foot of Mt Te Aroh… • Since Nov 2009 • 174 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW,

    In regard to literacy standards at least, doubtless they would blame it on their own teachers having

    minimal understanding of effective reading and writing teaching

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • ChrisW,

    Thanks again for that insight into the Minister's mind. It seems they are using the misleading ERO report as their trump card.

    There are some good letters in the latest Listener from educational experts, including one from Ivan Snook deconstructing this report

    Indeed, and thanks Hilary. But I wouldn't say Snook deconstructed the report - really he only quoted from its Figure 1, but made an important error in the process. ERO found 'adequate' or better teaching of reading at 90% of schools (not 90+% of teachers) - the same schools/teacher error made by the school principal I heard at Tolley's meeting, by the NZEI in its response to the report, and in half the cases by the ERO report's Overview writer, and their 'graphics' person.

    But really I thought the Listener editor’s response to Snook was interesting – perhaps there’s a hint of doubt of ERO on their part in their inability to find the source of the “30% of teachers” claim in the body of the report. There’s a mineable vein of irony in that the Editorial stimulating Snooks’ letter also commented on the apparently unrelated matter of “Revelations of embarrassing mistakes and unproven claims" in the IPCC’s report and the consequent doubts on climate change policy, and called for “transparency”.

    We can hope, I guess, that the ERO report might yet get a tiny proportion of the scrutiny and transparency of the IPCC report, process and data ...

    This detailed analysis of the Himalayan glaciers disappearing by 2035 debacle rings true to me. It refers to an apparent "curse" whereby every player including layers of technical media commentators, well-meaning and not, made or missed basic errors in the data or review process leading to the report errors, then in the subsequent presentation and explanation of the story. Something like it lurks in this ERO report business.

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Slightly related.
    We think we have problems with the MOE wanting information about our kids but it ain't as bad as This
    "school used webcam to spy on our kid at home"

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Bennett Row,

    Since Mar 2008 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    The UK Conservative Party spokesman wants to rewrite their curriculum, and have the children rote learning lists of Kings and Queens of England while sitting in rows.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3196 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Nostalgia can be dangerous in the wrong hands

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19683 posts Report Reply

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