Hard News: Will they make O'Reilly sweat?
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But as a bald statement, it's wrong. Sorry.
Perhaps it's a little too metaphysical for a Media7, but why is sorry (and 'we got the wrong') the hardest word to say in the media? I don't know about anyone else, but the reputations of Deborah Coddington and North and South would be in better shape -- and Robin Langwell might still have a job -- if someone had just printed a prompt retraction and apology stating that that story was substantively wrong on matters of fact.
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Our forces were in Bosnia for 12 years on a formal basis and 15 years all-up. You could certainly contend that Bosnia wasn't a war zone all that time -- while Afghanistan, even around Bamiyan where our people are, just gets nastier and more dangerous. But as a bald statement, it's wrong. Sorry.
Indeed, and New Zealand forces have formed the New Zealand contingent of the MFO in the Sinai for the last twenty-seven years.
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I found your show was really enlightening last night Russell. So do you have any idea why this war is so unreported? I mean I'd like to know where those detainees ended up.
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So do you have any idea why this war is so unreported?
I've got a theory: Hard to get to, often genuinely dangerous, and much more expensive and resource-intensive to cover in depth than a live cross to some Sydney-side tele-bimbo burbling inanities at the première of Baz Luhrmann's new flick about how crappy Nicole Kidman feels about being away from her child for twenty-four hours.
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Our forces were in Bosnia for 12 years on a formal basis and 15 years all-up.
Three New Zealand Defence Force officers are involved in border observations in the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea. And NZ has been represented there since 1953. That is an all out war that has not yet officially come to an end!
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since 1953
Too quick... I see that this deployment is not continuous
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Our forces were in Bosnia for 12 years on a formal basis
A lot of the time they were wearing Blue Hats, though weren't they? Maybe it doesn't count...
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I watched a documentary last night on SBS where a small group of committed Australians who have made it their mission to find asylum seekers the Australian government has rejected. When the Taliban lost Government in late 2001, Australian authorities told them their homeland was now safe. The documentary provides evidence of at least nine Afghan deportees who were killed when sent back home. We learn that the Howard government was deporting people to Syria on short-term visas that are not Syrian. When their Syrian visas run out, they have to go into hiding. Equally disturbing is evidence that Australian government has been knowingly issuing false passports to deport the returnees. Brilliant piece of journalism.
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So do you have any idea why this war is so unreported?
An extension of what Craig says - there are bugger all networks local to in Afghanistan. Our press is good at covering events that occur in the West - fashion shows, celeb weddings, sports and the financials. For foreign affairs it repackages news from foreign networks. Footage of Baghdad would be shown on Al Jezeera or Al Arabiya with an Arab commentary then 5 hours later would be on CNN with an American accent.
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A lot of the time they were wearing Blue Hats, though weren't they? Maybe it doesn't count...
Is this a new rule? Cool... I'm not really 40... I was wearing a blue hat for some* of the time....
* Unfortunately, not enough of the time... I'm probably still way over 39? -
I think with military forces there may be a distinction between a formed unit and individuals assigned to another nations forces.
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I wish we had a "vanity" paper like the Independent, as opposed to National party pamphlets.
I wonder if there's a long term future for daily papers in NZ. They keep going mostly because they have a monopoly in each market and can sell lots of advertising. Trademe is eroding the advertising, and maybe a future left-wing government will do something about the monopoly.
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Update from Mr Beatson himself:
Bosnia was an international intervention in a civil war. We entered it in 1992 by providing 9 UN military observers after a peace agreement had been signed between Bosnian Croats and Bosnian Muslims. We comitted 250 troops to Bosnia in 1994 after a flare-up in the civil conflict. The majority of those troops returned to NZ in 1996.
We entered Afghanistan as part of a full-throated war of invasion in which the established government [Taliban] of Afghanistan - not just the Al Qaeda terrorists were the declared enemy. We came in on the second wave of the invasion to engage in combat not peace-keeping. I guess that's the difference.
So technically Bosnia stays in, but as David points out, the two deployments aren't greatly comparable.
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Oh, but all of you are missing the point. The point is, JOHN KEY WOULD HAVE SENT TROOPS TO IRAQ AND 60 SOLDIERS WOULD HAVE RETURNED HOME IN BODY-BAGS!!!
We know this is true because Prime Minister Helen Clark said it. So any critical analysis of New Zealand's involvement in Afghanistan under Helen Clark's watch is just treasonous, anti-Labour Party propaganda.
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Dear Tim
Piss off
Stronger letter followsRegards
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Dear Mark
Please allow me to add my name to your previous correspondence, and any future correspondence on this subject.
Regards
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I wish we had a "vanity" paper like the Independent, as opposed to National party pamphlets.
It would be rather nice if Auckland could sustain seven daily newspapers, but I don't see it happening any time soon. And, Rich, I still don't see any future Labour-lead government being in any hurry to get into the newspaper game. I'm sure they can find more agreeable red ink generators.
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I wish we had a "vanity" paper like the Independent, as opposed to National party pamphlets.
We have canvassed a similar idea in this forum before (establishing a non-profit org to fund journalism).
If nobody else steps up, organising it might become my project for next year.
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"agreeable red ink generators" - is that secret code for bureaucrats? :)
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It would be rather nice if Auckland could sustain seven daily newspapers, but I don't see it happening any time soon. And, Rich, I still don't see any future Labour-lead government being in any hurry to get into the newspaper game. I'm sure they can find more agreeable red ink generators.
You're right, we're not likely to see a Kiwibank of print media. However, if the proposed Kiwi Ofcom comes to pass, and it's extended to cover print media, some much needed competition may not be that far-fetched.
Failing that, some organised consumer vigilantism might do the trick.
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(establishing a non-profit org to fund journalism)
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Dinah: that sounds just like what i had in mind.
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How does "Pundit" fit in the scheme?
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If nobody else steps up, organising it might become my project for next year.
An excellent idea, Stephen.
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How does "Pundit" fit in the scheme?t
I think it was Chase me, ladies, I'm in the cavalry who said:
Can anyone think of a blogger who calls themselves "anything-pundit" who isn't a staggeringly hateful arse?Hope that helps.
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