"The Terrorism Files"

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  • Steve Barnes,

    Hi Guys, I'm back.
    Thank God you are all typing this and not saying it, by now you would have considerably contributed to Global Warming.
    Ahh, Friday. Speculation day;
    The John Key/Diplomatic Protection Squad is a doozy.
    How about this one. Jamie Lockett, high profile undercover intelligence officer, just look at the guy's history and speculate.
    The word Terrorism, the 2004 US elections saw the Republican use that word so many times that it almost seemed an act of treason not to use it. In fact if you remove that word from much of the rhetoric that is bandied about it all starts to make more sense. ie. instead of the Terrorism Suppression Act we just call it the Suppression Act. And for all of you that are saying this law is better than waiting until a "terrorist" act has been committed I think you're wrong. You have more chance of being hit by a bus, should we be arresting people for thinking about becoming bus drivers?
    In todays news, man arrested in Ohio for planning to set up a military style training camp. Whatever next?

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Probably very good advice, but in the context of this thread don't you think it was just a wee bit gratuitous and flat out weird?

    No I thought it was a non-serious comment. And there's enough crazy serious comments flying around this month to take aim at.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    <kiwiblog>Perhaps someone in the bureaucracy wants John Key dead?</kiwiblog>

    More things have been said on Kiwiblog about harming Auntie Helen than the police seem to have discovered in their bugs and wiretaps, methinks the cops are looking at the wrong people.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • InternationalObserver,

    what Steve Barnes said

    I was 'bemused' that Imran Khan was arrested in Pakistan under their Terrorism Suppression Act. Luckily we don't have to worry about there in NZ because no politician would use the act for political purposes ... public safety yes, but not for political purposes. Nosiree.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report

  • InternationalObserver,

    what Steve Barnes said above

    I was 'bemused' that Imran Khan was arrested in Pakistan under their Terrorism Suppression Act. Luckily we don't have to worry about that here in NZ because no politician would use the act for political purposes ... public safety yes, but not for political purposes. Nosiree.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Finn - There is a NZ aspect to pacifisim that Iti was fully aware of and (I think) maintains an allegence to.

    Parihaka historian Te Miringa Hohaia has studied the life and writings about the man of mana. "Te Whiti was one of those great leaders. We had Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther-King, Nelson Mandela and Te Whiti o Rongomai.

    "Te Whiti was the forerunner of them all."

    Te Miringa says Gandhi knew about Te Whiti. "He learnt about Te Whiti from an Irish delegation that visited Parihaka and then had a meeting with Gandhi. Although Gandhi was already committed to non-violence, the impact of finding out about Te Whiti must have been startling."

    http://www.pukeariki.com/en/stories/tangataWhenua/pacifistofparihaka.htm

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    I'm gonna steal this one Craig "Bullshit Bingo" love it.

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report

  • Creon Upton,

    Craig, yes, I was taking the piss.

    But boy, your threat to eviscerate me had me pretty nervous nonetheless, and it made me realise again that responding to (what one perceives as) absurdity with elaborate counter-absurdity is a dangerous bloody rhetorical game. (And it's also kind of lazy.)

    Everyone's seeming understandably tetchy, and I'm gonna bow out for a while (cos I'm busy, and cos I've said more than my share, and cos I've drained my limited reserves of knowledge or thoughtfulness), but I'd really like to see those with the stomach and patience for it to keep up an unpleasant but possibly useful conversation.

    And Kowhai: it means "Get Off Your Friggin High Horse". (Not you, of course....)

    (I think that's the first time in my life I've used an f-word succedaneum; I must be feeling conciliatory.)

    Christchurch • Since Aug 2007 • 68 posts Report

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Lock Marc Ellis up - he's admitted using an incendiary device - smoke BOMBS - to shock (is that Terrorise?) the community.

    Compared this to the mythical napalm.

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report

  • kmont,

    Nice use of succedaneum.

    Everyone's seeming understandably tetchy, and I'm gonna bow out for a while (cos I'm busy, and cos I've said more than my share, and cos I've drained my limited reserves of knowledge or thoughtfulness), but I'd really like to see those with the stomach and patience for it to keep up an unpleasant but possibly useful conversation.

    Yeah that too. I don't need to have an opinion on everything ; )

    Peace out
    have a nice weekend
    and call your mum

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    Not really. The DPS doesn't comment on security matters, full stop, so we don't actually know a damn thing about the 'written advice' or how it was arrived at, do we?

    I don't regard the Key comments as an explicit threat; more an indication of the loony state of mind of those involved.

    But even if one were to err on the side of caution, the "freedom fighters" referred to attacking Key as Prime Minister, in Wellington. It's fairly obvious that the very last place they'd have a crack at him would be on their own marae, as a guest.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    More things have been said on Kiwiblog about harming Auntie Helen than the police seem to have discovered in their bugs and wiretaps, methinks the cops are looking at the wrong people.

    It's worth noting that the craziest of the Kiwiblog commenters has in fact been the repeated subject of police attention, armed offenders squad included. He complains about it too.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Lock Marc Ellis up - he's admitted using an incendiary device - smoke BOMBS - to shock (is that Terrorise?) the community.

    Ah, but he doesn't have a political, religious or ideological cause.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3215 posts Report

  • Sam F,

    It's worth noting that the craziest of the Kiwiblog commenters has in fact been the repeated subject of police attention, armed offenders squad included. He complains about it too.

    I'm thinking this can only be one of two people on there...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    I'm thinking this can only be one of two people on there...

    I'm thinking D4J and Master "Red" Bater.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Stephen Judd,

    But even if one were to err on the side of caution, the "freedom fighters" referred to attacking Key as Prime Minister, in Wellington. It's fairly obvious that the very last place they'd have a crack at him would be on their own marae, as a guest.

    Surely that's an ambitious rationalisation?

    :-)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report

  • merc,

    Key was going to see Iti about another McCahon, tipped off by Jenny...

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report

  • Shep Cheyenne,

    Is not the pursuit of $ an ideological cause?

    Since Oct 2007 • 927 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    But even if one were to err on the side of caution, the "freedom fighters" referred to attacking Key as Prime Minister, in Wellington. It's fairly obvious that the very last place they'd have a crack at him would be on their own marae, as a guest.

    Yeah. John Key ... just drop a bomb ... Just wait till he visits somewhere and just blow him ... They won't even find you." – two suspects in bugged vehicle, August 17, 2007.

    A little Lewinskyesque for my liking but it worked against Clinton.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • InternationalObserver,

    Is not the pursuit of $ an ideological cause?

    There was a bizarre puff piece on Ellis' 'guerrila marketing' antics on 20/20 last night. It seemed like someone at the last minute decided it would be a PR sellout to actually give any screentime to the actual product he was marketing. So instead all we got was lots of footage of him being 'a larrikan' with 'his mates' blowing shit up. And grinning "Boy, we're gonna get into trouble with this!".
    Inane.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Just received the following email from Peace Movement Aotearoa:

    <quote>16 November 2007

    Kia ora,

    we have just received a message from one of our members with the above subject line, telling us that TV3 is currently featuring a video 'Ali Ikram sings Let's Hear it for Tuhoe karaoke style' - there is a link to this on their main page at http://www.tv3.co.nz and the video is at http://www.tv3.co.nz/VideoBrowseAll/SunriseVideo/tabid/572/articleID/39292/cat/167/Default.aspx

    [details and discussion about BSA complaint if it gets broadcast etc followed]

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

  • Steve Barnes,

    Ahhh semantics,
    We can also say that to inspire "Shock and Awe" with the intent to cause as government to do or not do something, ie. disappear, is a terrorist act.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report

  • Russell Brown,

    we have just received a message from one of our members with the above subject line, telling us that TV3 is currently featuring a video 'Ali Ikram sings Let's Hear it for Tuhoe karaoke style' - there is a link to this on their main page at http://www.tv3.co.nz and the video is at ...

    Choice! That was actually pretty funny, and lord knows we need a little levity on this one ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report

  • InternationalObserver,

    TV3 is currently featuring a video 'Ali Ikram sings Let's Hear it for Tuhoe' karaoke style'

    I saw it live this morning. I thought it was funny. But not very PC. My 5 y.o. daughter walked in just as Tama Iti's bared butt was wiggling in slo-mo. She laughed, but I think Family First should have warned me of this outrage.

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Some of it was funny I guess, some was.. cheap. Haha Maori on the dole etc. Meh.

    I actually hadn't seen much of the tv coverage of the hikoi. That young man simulating cutting his throat with a machete or something. No doubt it's theatre, but that disturbs me. I couldn't have stuck around at a protest where someone did that.

    I never had a problem with the new AB haka doing the simulated throat cutting. I'll have to tie down why the two are so different for me.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report

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