Posts by Sean Murgatroyd
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Skype's built on P2P as well. How about utilities like Dropbox?
Even conversations around P2P are becoming irrelevant.
Streaming content isn't P2P, and is advanced as a method of content control.
It's one the primary method of illegal sharing of content we have.
Careful disclaimers on Youtube's part shift liability to the end user, but at the end of the day I can search for any video on google, use a stream capture plugin and create a .flv on my machine of that video, should I want to do that.
I've done so not through a shadowy underground network, but by simply clicking on a page that has not yet been subject to a takedown notice and using a legal tool for an illegal purpose.
Not advocating illegal activity, just explaining that chasing the models doesn't prevent that activity any more than attempts to prevent connection.
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I also think it's likely to be ineffective.
Whole conversation right there.
_connection drops_
_picks up netbook and walks to nearest Starbucks_
Right there.
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Muse: Hey Greg O'Connor, Krup You!, in reply to
Cheers Craig. Agree as usual, and up to a point, as usual. Definitely agree that O'Connor's talking out his bum, but I still think we're fighting his bullshit with ours - and we do better to call him on his style than his words, because it elevates the discussion above the flame war level. I've seen - and enjoyed - a bunch of flame wars, and witnessed not a lot of change out of any of them. Ripping good fun though, what?
All the war stories featured here - and I've lived them alongside the rest of us liberals and creatives - don't offer the police a way out of a sick culture, just a reason not to find that way out. Let's engage them as human beings. Who knows, it might even work?
Might want to think about what those “restrictions” are – and whether it’s such a bad thing they exist.
I know what the restrictions are. I'm a career civil servant. I don't think it's a bad thing they exist. Don't know where you get off telling me what I might want to think about in the first place, when you 're no more telepathic than Mr O'Connor. ;)
Have thoughts. Going to post in my little nook. Mentions you - not having a go, just discussing the discourse with here as the jumping off point. Will @ if it suits, otherwise will let it rest in my little nook. Love having a Tory on board Public Address - it's got me reinvolved, because left rhetoric in a vacuum is one long yawnfest to this boy whose granddad had Mickey Joe, Norm Kirk and Bill Rowling as his personal trinity - so thanks to both you and Russell for taking that step.
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I take it back... he's the President of the association, an elected representative. Discussions around quora, and whether Greg O'Connor personally represents the individual policeman when he talks to the nation still apply. Does Mr Key represent me?
While the police association only disclose their full range of advocacy services to members, they do list:
Conveying members’ concerns to the Police Department, the media and the public. While individual members are restricted in what they can say publicly, there are no such restrictions on the Association.
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Supporting members who have been disadvantaged or unfairly treated, and acting as advocate in personal grievances.
The individual cop might have made the wrong decision - and I strongly believe he did - but he has been disadvantaged in conducting his job the minute Tiki Taane chose to make this matter a media one by posting to his website - the earliest mention of the story is here, and it's all Tiki there.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, O'Connor is the only person associated with the police who can defend the individual police officer, and sure entrenched views come about. Wouldn't you provide the strongest defence possible?
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Muse: Hey Greg O'Connor, Krup You!, in reply to
Steve, Union Reps are employed by their unions. Delegates are selected by their peers. Motions put to the union as a whole are voted on by that part of the union that is in attendance at that meeting, and there are quora and voting levels that would be required before the management of a union could be disestablished - and thus their designated representative fired.
I'm not sure how that even plays out in employment law, but suffice to say, Greg O'Connor is not elected by his peers, which by definition means...
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Here's the thing. Are we not putting our spin on it, as much as O'Connor is? Is not what actually happened - an unknown box from this side of the keyboard - more important than our, or his views on it? Are we then talking about his because we can't open that box, however insightful we may be?
If we are talking about institutionalised hatred, does it happen in a vacuum, or do we cocreate it every time we criticise the person and not the role? We're not doing good discourse analysis if we say "O'Connor puts the police in a good light every time." That's what he's paid to do.
Let's talk about his language. When he says "he believes the public will back..." let us ask him for evidence for that belief. Is it a matter of faith, or has he done a survey? Offering him polemic is fighting him on his own turf.
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Muse: Hey Greg O'Connor, Krup You!, in reply to
While I took Craig to task on twitter for charactersing Assange supporters universally as "rape apologists" during the height of that conversation - I felt and still feel it was a poor way to advance the discussion, and I stay clear in my opinion that his rhetoric can be inflexible and downright offensive, I don't see "harden the fuck up, soft cocks" as being hate speech.
I like a good strong line of rhetoric, which is why I enjoy (even when I disagree with) Craig's commentary, and I think you could research Fred Phelp's Westboro Baptist Church - who stand outside family funerals for American soldiers holding placards saying "God hates fag-loving America and killed this solder to make his point clear" (or words to that effect) to understand the difference between hate speech, and indicating professional people should be more realistic about their personal boundaries - which is the message behind "HTFU, SCs." (So I don't have to type it again. Craig, Craig, Craig!)
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Hi Craig,
Never mind convincing Greg he's wrong - which we'll term here, "the impossible" - what do you think we should we be doing to find allies in this key battle, your having blown such a wonderful clarion call?
I'm a musician, a free speech activist - as you will know from our previous conversation on twitter - and a librarian.
I've started my part of the journey by emailing Keith Locke, but can we leverage this discussion so that other musical freaks like me don't have to carefully check our setlist before we get up? I remember The Auntie's song "Why Don't People Like Policemen" - why *do* they call them Piggy Wiggy Wigs?
Do I talk to my two personal friends who are policemen? The policemen in my community? Is it all their paranoia, or "ours" too?
Inquiringly yours,
seanfish