Posts by Craig Ranapia
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Ridley:
Golly, I need to order another book of reality checks... but I'm as bored to sobs by all this 'Jonkey' balls from the left as I am by the 'Helen Klark' childishness from the right, and I've probably wasted far too much time and energy calling out right-wingnuts on it.
And just for the record, anyone who cares to pop over the PA Radio page and listen to my first contribution will find I took the piss out of both Key and Clark on an entirely non-partisan basis. In fact, if you want to run a stop watch over it I might even have spent more time slapping around the leader of the party I happen to vote for.
Bloody hell, my spelling's not the best (ay, Darryl?) but I can do a reasonable impersonation of an adult now and then. I also do try and pay people the courtesy of not ripping what they say so far out of context - or just making shit up - it verges on psychosis.
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Riddley:
Unless there's a lot of sticky keyboards out there, Clark is referred to as 'Miss' - and somehow, I don't think the Prime Minister would bite her tongue if it bothered her that much.
And, no Ridley I'm not being sarcastic. I've actually been in a room with the Demoness Clark, shook her hand, spent a few far from memorable seconds trading meaningless small talk and somehow didn't get dragged off by the DPS. It's called being a grown-up - except when you get paid for being civil to people you don't much like. Then it's called a job. I'm sorry if Deborah has some reading disability, but I don't really care if a woman goes by her maiden name, that of her husband (past or present) or changes it by deed poll to whatever the hell she likes. As far as honorifics go, as long as Clark doesn't decide to style herself 'President for Life' after staging a military coup I'm pretty relaxed on that score too.
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Oh, and one more thought - there are any number of women in public life (Christine Rankin, Rosanne Meo & Catherine Tizard immediately come to mind) who didn't stop using the "names" of their former husbands. I don't want to speculate, or much care, why they didn't but I don't think I'd welcome the media unilaterally changing their names.
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Hadyn:
this means we should be called her Dr Clark.Eeek... don't open that can of worms. Personally, I think it's a wee bit pretentious using an academic title in a non-professional or academic context. Then again, I'm sure Michael Cullen and Lockwood Smith (and others) would politely suggest I bugger off, spend years earning a doctorate, get into Parliament and see how I feel then. :) They're entitled to style themselves as such under standing orders, and norms of academic usage, so - once more - my default position is that it's civil to follow their preference.
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Calling Helen Clark by her husband's name, illegitimately, is a way of belittling her, even in a joke. You are using the fact that she is a woman to make a dubious joke. Good one.
Oh, FFS, Deborah... I was belittling mindless pedantry (you know, Victorian forms of address as opposed to the fundamental civility of addressed Helen Clark as she wishes to be addressed), and if you just don't get it, that says much more about you than me.
I don't appreciate being belittled, illegitimately, as a sexist arsehole. And while we're on the subject, there are many women - both inside and outside Parliament - who choose to 'take their husband's name' upon marrying. I respect that too - and while you're riding your moral high horse, you might care to consider what level of respect and civility you're displaying towards their choice.
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And even though it really only means anything inside his particular branch of the church, he sounds like he ranks higher than a pastor of another church who may represent more people.
Oh, this is getting weird. If my (severely traumatised) memory serves, both The Herald on Sunday and The Sunday Star-Times have pretty much stopped using honorifics. Which is one way to get around the problem - but I don't know if I really want newspaper subs deciding who 'deserves' to have their style book on honorifics applied to them.
Let's be up front about this: We don't like Brian Tamiki very much, and it's damn easy to take the piss out of a pompous and spectacularly creepy git who begs for urine extraction every time he opens his mouth. Then again, I don't really like Helen Clark very much either, but I don't see the point of petty rudeness either.
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BTW, I've got the latest by P.D. James and Ruth Rendell on my bedside table, although they're both life peers if they're not fussed about being referred to as "Baroness James of Holland Park' and 'Baroness Rendell of Babergh', I'm not going to lose much sleep.
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Deborah:
And come on, Craig - after all the agonising discussion here on PA this week, are you really suggesting that as a married woman, my identity ought to be subsumed in my husband's identity?I thought it was blindingly obvious that I don't really give a shit either way - it worries me about as much as what kind of honorific Brian Tamiki is styled with. Clark has always used her maiden name in public life, and media organizations that use honorifics have followed her own preference, 'Miss'.
Now, Deborah and Darryl, do you think I really need to put sarcasm tags around every damn thing or can I assume PA readers are smart enough to not require spoon-feeding?
And FYI, when I do decide to 'attack Helen Clark' you'll bloody know it. OK?
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I was just trying to make the point that Tamaki does not deserve to be called a Bishop.
Tamaki can call himself Lord High Poo-Bah and Super Peitty Princess of the Universe for all I care. I don't recognise his spiritual atuhority, but I could say exactly the same thing about the Archbishop Whakahuihui Vercoe, Mufti Sheikh Taj al-Din al-Hilali, the Daili Lama etc. I also don't expect any non-Catholic to show anything other than basic civility to any member of the Catholic Curia, foreign or domestic.
I'd also note that if you really want to be petantic about 'legitimate' titles, shouldn't we be referring to the Prime Minister as Mrs Peter Davies - even though she prefers to style herself with her maiden name, and the honorific Miss, 'deservedly' used by unmarried, adult women? :)
As that great thinker Cher Horowitz was so fond of saying, What-ever....
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Haydn:
I really do agree with you, except what about he just tells his daughter he loves her and doesn't hit her.Yes, and the next time I see someone having a screaming fit at a child in a supermarket - you know, the kind of lung-buster that has a child cowering - I'll drag them into the next aisle for a time out, and remind them can just because you're keeping your hands to yourself doesn't mean you're not being an abusive cock. Sorry for getting on that particular hobby horse, but I've got to cop to being a child abuser myself -- and using my voice and physical bulk to intimidate a child rather than my fists doesn't really make me a better person.
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