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No, you pay back a dollar an album from record one, on NZ sales.
that's a pretty sweet deal.
so its 50000 copies to repay completely the funding.
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Singles generally come from albums, surely?
come on simon, you're not getting that one through.
especially in the digital downloads age where apparently people are rebelling against "having to buy an album of crap for the one song they like"I personally like full albums, but they don't play them on radio
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Honestly
I'm not trying to make friends with you Russell, and especially not Brendan. I'm trying to challenge what you say and what he's done.
I'm pissed off with brendan and the way he's run NZ on Air, which is a common feeling amongst musicians, hardly revolutionary, and believe me I held back. lets just say I'm not a fan. you want me to lie about that? Should I not raise these issues in public cos he's someone you personally like?as far as you're concerned you make some really bad calls, especially in the field of music. What's the point of a public forum if you're merely looking for reinforcement of your own view.
I like to be challenged, I was sincere re Kyle, it helped me think through my own thoughts on issues, even if I didn't agree with his stand point.
I had a look at some of kyles comments in other forums. he's competing for second place for mr grumpy, and good for him, otherwise it would be a meeting of the middle aged middle class all agreeing with themselves.
While working as an AV tech I had to show movies in Uni lectures, one of the slackest jobs I've ever had.
One of the movies I remember well though. it was to do with the Jewish community and one thing stuck in my mind.
they were talking about the jewish tradition of debate, and how the point wasn't to win but to bash out an idea.
if one party got stuck in their argument the other party would step in and say well perhaps you might say this, and then the debate would continue. -
Phase 4 for a start.
phase for is the $50000 for an album thing?
that would be in direct contradiction to the whole broadcasting aspect for a start (smyth goes on about how he's in the broadcasting buiness), cos albums don't get played, singles do,
and one would think you should sort the first objective of your corporation (getting more nz on air) before you moved onto anything else.I agree its good to see more albums made, no problem with that, but its more about what the point of the original scheme was rather than empire building for mr smyth.
I'd be interested in how well the self funding thing went.
recipients are supposed to pay back the funding once they reach a certain point in their profits and sales. not a bad idea I guess. does it work? does anyone actually hit break even on albums or is it all like the NZ Idol fiasco where the books are done to conveniently avoid that point of handing anything back.any radio play battles you know of where they went hard and got results?
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of you being a dick. Honestly
nice to know we share mutual feelings russell, I like your internet news stuff though, if that counts for anything?
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And that's just a couple of pages.
and I'm offended by your choice of quotes, I've been a lot nastier than any of those. some of em even have smilies in them.
if they'd had some swear words in them so all caps words and exclamation marks I'd take your point but I think its all in the reading as far as that lot are concerned. -
Non combative like (to quote yourself)?:
are you the target of those comments?
no?are you brendans mum?
no?Have I been combative to you?
no?
then ...... what u getting so upset about?I'll save my debate for another time.
I was looking forward to discussing down to the last typo with you,
brendan's obviously not the debating kinda guy he'd have us believe he is, and you were taking up the mantle of the 'all sounds the same to me' masses just for arguments sake of course,
walking off in a huff and getting hooked on mis interpreted points (my funds to disaster victims example) just makes you seem like you don't have a point, I expected more from you, I'm disappointed.
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another question for you simon.
you mention nz on air has fought battles and won.can you elaborate on a battle or 2 that you know about that nz on air got involved in.
I haven't seen any signs of cunning or fighting from NZ on Air. They seem to pretty much dish out cash as they see fit put discs in front of radio and if radio don't sniff shrug their shoulders and say 'well we did our best'. Their best in any other industry would get them fired for lack of results, but then no one gets fired in govt jobs for being lame, you got to do something bad to get ousted.
I would have loved to have seen and heard stories of clever and cunning successes and attempts to get the playlists loaded. I haven't heard one.
hell, there are only a handful of programmers in the country anyway. did anyone contemplate the bribes and hookers approach?
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But if this couldn't be achieved under the current government, it sure as hell ain't gonna happen under anyone else.
I agree. I actually don't think the nz on air charter is flawed, I think its objectives are good, but that for what ever reason it hasn't achieved them.
So you're saying 20% quota.
I'd like to add to that bypassing commercial radio. I'd suggest achieving this by strengthening National radio along the lines of the UK's bbc brand.
what would commercial radio do if a national broadcaster competed with them and included kiwi in their play lists, without ads.
they'd have to up their game then wouldn't they,for those who haven't spent time in the UK the BBC has multiple channels targeting different formats, (don't know if they cater to country though) playing a wide variety of new music and breaking in acts, that other stations pick up on. its heavily listened to and not marginalised like National radio in NZ (in that its seen as a middle age persons station by the wider public, not targeting anywhere near youth).
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ignored by radio who didn't even give the song the time of day.
do you think its part of nz on airs job to find ways for content to be played?
I agree there are many many "should have been hits" that didn't get the punt from commercial radio. Obviously the issue was recognised when the scheme was started (more of our voices on air etc)
Is it enough to present to radio a bunch of well recorded tracks applicable to commercial radio play and shrug your shoulders when nothing happens? should that be where NZ's obligation to its culture finishes?if not then what other things could be done do you think?