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don't you think we're giving too much 'air time' to what was essentially a dark spot on the lung of nz music. middle aged men trying to create a happening hip hop track off a 60's hit of one of said middle aged men?
If I'd known you were going to get so notalgic about them I'd have picked another miscalculated blip on the kiwi music scope, hmmm, so many to choose from,.....
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One of the J's became a mormon missionary, the other became 'MC ovadose' of 'Radio Backstab' fame and one of NZ's best beatboxers he was also tutoring at otara music centre last i heard which was a while ago.
what happened to twice the t, were there 2 people with t's in their name too?
I had no idea there were 2 j's. you learn something every day,................which you can then shut out of your mind at a later date of course.
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if Brendan's not going to show up is it ok if I sign up another account under his name and make some comments? anyone object?
I've got some classic alternative catch phrases for nz on air if anyones interested? no?
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Ray Columbus had nothing to do with it.
ray was their mentor or manager or something. it was this band and rays pushing that lead QEII to raise the bench mark for grants from 50 x $1000 to 10 x $5000. Ray was the man who pushed that through. I was at the meeting and had a fight with him over it. He won.
Wow - is there a reason you think they're in jail?
do I need a reason?
cos when people vanish or long periods of time .........I'd forgotten what the song was, mod rap, hilarious, didn't know chunn was involved, that makes me kinda sad, just a little,
He took a producer credit though, doesn't say writing credit on that page. Bet the royalties for that were massive, like $50 or something. you could fund an indie video with that these days.medleys, there's a career in that for someone.
Do you think the same of that chap from World Gone Wild?
don't know him but if you think its a good cheap shot laugh I'll go for it :)
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I think Robbery meant to cite Double J and Twice the T. If he had, that would just about be the most offensive thing he's put on this thread :-)
Thus demonstrating the complete throwaway nature of their existence, aside from the unconscious insult, I try not to clutter my memory with things better forgotten?
Where are those guys now anyway? jail term?as for offensive, I've got a couple of goodies I'm holding back, pacing myself. are you challenging me to up the anty? Cos I will :)
In the 'idol' series
don't bring up that stinker or this will get nasty.
NZ on Air funded that to the tune of 1/4 the yearly music budget (although it came out of the tv fund I think, cos it sure had nothing to do with music culture). The show was apparently very popular, got lots of watchers, and plenty of advertising sold, and still they managed to not make it break even and thus didn't have to pay back the money they were given to make it. That smells of something rather rancid to me.and if you're looking to 300 teenage girls to know significant culture when they saw it, you don't get my vote.
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Whats wrong with 300 teenage girls deciding on the 'urban division's' tune for possible funding.Thats who the target is for that tune
triple j and twice the t, nuff said.
By all means let bands/labels/managers manipulate the vote.
what's the difference between your system and the present nz on air system. its all manipulation, only thing is who's in control.
Culture isn't about pop stars of exclusive of them.
Cultural funding is a reaction to hindsight (shit didn't we have some great music with really shitty recordings and now thats lost for ever, wished we'd done something about it at the time), replacing it with foresight I guess (we look back on our music as an indicator of who we were as people, swingers counting the beat video, various split enz, suburban Reptiles etc all give us an indication of what we were doing back then, be it strange or something we look on with pride.We don't "need" people working in music, there are plenty of industries to get a living from, we need to record and appreciate our music as a nation, cos its supposed to communicate who we are to ourselves, and then we need to preserve it.
The nz on air mission statement captures that aim quite well but they sure as shit haven't managed to put that into action, and I think that's down to personnel. Bean counters and commercial radio programmers do not an insightful forward thinking crew make. we should know that. Which is why I want Brendan Smyth moved out of his position and replaced by someone who can deal with sociological and heritage issues. Sorry Brendan, you've had way more than your fair chance and mostly you've got disgruntled artists who feel NZ on Air has nothing to do with them.
Very interesting to see at a recent CHCH music industry questions an answers session where various members of the 'music industry'were invided to talk to the chch music community to answer questions on how they could better do their art and trade. The nz on air table was quite often without interested parties, where as other guest speakers were occupied pretty much continuously.
When local bands were quizzed as to why they didn't want to speak with the NZ on Air crew they said they saw no point in it. Better to get on with it in other ways. (the sam scott approach). Hardly a glowing endorsement of an organisation serving its target. -
Yeah, but why do I think we'll end up with 300 teenage girls deciding who gets funded?
yes, exactly. NZ's history of recognising and supporting its achievements in music have been shocking.
Most of the stuff we pat ourselves on the back for now was completely ignored in its time. it seems to take 10 -20 years for the majority of nz to recognise its music achievements, which is slightly better than the art world where you mostly have to be dead and gone before anyone notices your talent.Music funding should be independent of mass acceptance, including NZ on air with its broadcasting bent. The whole point is not to cater to bad taste and lowest common denominator but to recognise worth while it is happening, and for that you need staff who are well versed and out there.
How often do NZ on Air staff go to gigs that aren't wine and cheese evenings with smart casual dress required. Can't say I've seen em anywhere, even at a recent show case they were present at in chch they were noticeable by their in attention or absence through most of the set. Hardly dedication to the job.
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For $5k you could, for instance, tape a shit-hot live set, then pick the five songs you want and get tons of reach.
every sneaky musician has already thought of or done that already. what fool would say "turn the cameras off, we've shot the footage for the song we got funding for",
the time and cost is mostly in the set up, and editing. an extra 40 mins filming time won't stretch the budget. editing it would though, if people were paying standard industry rates.its an interesting but unintentional side effect of not getting the funding you need that people become resourceful and in doing so come up with something interesting. Not always of course, and not for most people.
You should hardly base your funding system on that rule. It should be there to help, not their to create adverse conditions to spur people onto find creative work arounds.
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foundation now as NZoA did 10 yrs ago
what foundations? you mean the mission statement and objects?
fat lot of good that did if they're not actually going to stick to them.NZ on Air hasn't really laid the foundation for anything, they've just been pissing about with a budget. I'm not seeing any forward direction or master plan.
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don't get too excited with the internet revolution.
The people of the early 20th century were sure the skies would be full of zeppelins and the 70's kids knew we were all going to be living on the moon by the turn of the century.a viable ans sustainable model for music and the internet are still lofty concepts. Massive potential, but successes financially are exceptions rather than rules.
I'm off to the shops in my LZ 129 Zeppelin before I pop over to the space station to visit a friend, then we're going to pay off our production costs for our album and new video by making friends on myspace ;)