Posts by Bart Janssen

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  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert, in reply to nzlemming,

    Me

    It's not about protest voting. It's about deciding that for all their faults ... they are still better than the alternative. ... Those aren't protests, those are positive decisions.

    You

    Which is what I said but not what you said. That was:

    Me

    It's not about voting Little into power - it's all about voting National and ACT out of power.

    I don't like Labour's power structure or their lack of genuine policy. I can't support The Greens anti science arm. But I can see quite clearly that another 3 years of National ACT will damage NZ, perhaps beyond repair.

    It hasn't been possible to get the Labour and Green supporters out to vote FOR Labour or The Greens, their vote has steadily declined leaving the steady National ACT to take control.

    You argue that a protest vote has failed I'd argue the opposite, Labour and The Greens have lost vote steadily. The only thing Labour and The Greens can really say is they are NOT National/ACT.

    But here's the thing neither of us need to be right. So long as National ACT lose power and we can get back to a government that actually cares about the people they govern I don't care how it happens.

    I think Labour has been wishy washy on all its policy - I'm guessing because it doesn't want National to steal it and present it better than Labour can. I think The Greens have way too much woo left in their ranks to be able to provide compelling policy (with some notable exceptions). But I also know damn well that continuing the National ACT policies is even worse - so by voting against National ACT (a protest vote) I am also voting for better policies (a positive vote).

    As I said I don't care which way you sell it, just so long as you vote Labour or The Greens.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert, in reply to Sacha,

    OWGs

    Old White Guys?

    Yup. Sorry too used to the acronym being used in science.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert,

    I'm kind of curious to see how Mt Albert votes. It is no longer a working class suburb by any stretch of the imagination. The families in the suburb are a very wide range now. Somehow Labour and The Greens have to capture the imagination of the people in the remaining state houses, the people with monster mortgages and the very rich on the slopes of Mt Albert.

    It really will take some sophisticated messaging to gather all those families into a solid party vote for the election later this year. Not just door knocking but listening and feeding back what is heard into policies.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert, in reply to nzlemming,

    Wrong. Protest voting has proved to be ineffective.

    Uh huh. So all those people who couldn't be bothered protest voting against Trump have been vindicated??

    It's not about protest voting. It's about deciding that for all their faults (Greens believing in fake medicine, Labour believing in OWGs) they are still better than the alternative. Because things like our education system and health system and welfare system and environment really can't cope with another 3 years of degradation. Because cutting the resources of government is not what we want. Those aren't protests, those are positive decisions. Between Green and Labour, those values will be restored so damn well vote for them - even if you don't like some of their failings.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    just short of a year to convince 35% of the voting population that he really has the goods

    I rather think that we (the left) have just under a year to convince all those people who hate the kind of shit that just went down in the USA to actually suck it up and vote even if their party of choice isn't perfect.

    Because the alternative is more of this current lot who really do not care about the people of New Zealand.

    It's not about voting Little into power - it's all about voting National and ACT out of power.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert, in reply to Russell Brown,

    being able to speak and present your ideas engagingly is vital.

    I do get that, I really do. Despite, perhaps because of, not being good at it myself.

    But I'm tired of Labour leaders, particularly the white male parade we've had, having no real policy in which they believe.

    Yeah that's unfair on Shearer - Shearer had values and policy for Africa (sorry couldn't resist) but suffered from an inability to believe his "colleagues" would shaft him at every opportunity.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Taking the stage in Mount Albert,

    or perhaps what Simon Wilson described recently as an “Andy Plan” actually exists.

    Sigh - clearly the most important thing is how he appears. Not content.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: The next four years, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    So you think they succeeded because they were really simple-minded?

    I'm gonna guess that your reckon isn't going to be received well.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: The next four years, in reply to Luke Williamson,

    Russia has experienced multiple invasions

    You can argue that pretty much everyone in Europe has experienced multiple invasions. Russia on balance has probably been successful repelling invasions than most. But the idea that Russia has reason to feel threatened because of its history really doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

    The difference is that for the most part, much of Europe has learned to "get over it" and work together for mutual benefit. This particular iteration of the Russian leadership has chosen, for various reasons, to play up the "we used to own that bit and we want it back" mode of international relations.

    As for whether the USA is squeaky clean - it's pretty obvious that they aren't. The US actions in the Middle East have proven ruinous for everyone involved. But saying the US is bad doesn't make Russia good.

    The eastern European states are nervous for very good reasons, nothing about Putin's leadership gives them any reason to trust Russia. Moreover the sanctions and changes in oil prices have put Russia in a very shaky economic position - the Russian economy is stuffed, that puts pressure on Putin and nobody is really sure how he will react. Annexing another bit of eastern Europe seems to be a strategy that Putin likes to use to distract from internal problems.

    The worry is that Trump is unlikely to have the skills to defuse or moderate any of complex situations in Europe or the middle east. The best we can hope for is that he plays a lot of golf.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: The next four years, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    the rise of right wing populism

    There has been no such rise.

    I don't understand why people keep saying stuff like this. People keep promoting arguments to explain why Trump got more votes

    But Trump didn't get more votes - he got fewer votes.

    There is no rise in the right.

    All the voting data show that the right has held steady or declined slightly.

    The reason we have right shifts is because the left has stopped voting that's what the data shows.

    Now stop saying silly things about the right and start explaining the observations. If you are doing anything else you may as well invoke astrology.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4216 posts Report Reply

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