Posts by giovanni tiso

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  • Up Front: The C Word,

    Them wot works for an hourly wage are working class, and them wot works for a salary are middle class.

    That seems pretty arbitrary, even in New Zealand. And it wouldn't work completely in many other countries where hourly rates are not what determines a salary, only overtime. Factory workers in Italy for instance all get a salary.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Southerly: Confessions of a Social Retard,

    Parisians named one of their airports after the Internet slang for sarcasm, that really tells you all you need to know.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Up Front: The C Word,

    Jeez George. Maybe Bill and Gerry are right. We MUST be catching Australia since you can afford to buy a $800 bike!!!

    Where your theory falls down (and Bill's, and Gerry's) is that George currently lives in Australia.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Hard News: Changes and appointments,

    TV1&2 already have sound. It's half the problem.

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  • Up Front: The C Word,

    Or political science.

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  • Southerly: Confessions of a Social Retard,

    Well he did get picked up by a US-based team (mine actually!) first!

    Sure, the Ducks - say no more! - but in the end even back home his retribution for being a bully and a goon was a place in the Olympic team.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Up Front: The C Word,

    BTW, what class points do we get for having a coffee machine that hasn't been within six ten thousands miles of Italy, and was paid for with FlyBuys points?

    Considering that one of these, which is in fact made in Italy, will set you back approximately $40, you belong to class "silly" along with most other owners of espresso machines.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Up Front: The C Word,

    yet he employs thousands of staff and earns a pretty decent salary. Any definition which lumps him in with the working class needs some large grains of salt.

    I think you'll find no sane definition of working class that does such a thing. But I was basing myself purely on the data you had given us, which seemed to imply that teachers aren't working class. Obviously I misread you.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Up Front: The C Word,

    Is there some kind of cheat code for this?

    Winning Lotto and not quitting your job is a classic cheat.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

  • Up Front: The C Word,

    I can't remember the exact details, but it was something like his mother was head of a department in a decent secondary school and his father had a management job.

    His mother was still working class, I'm afraid, it's very hard to lump teachers with the bourgeoisie. With managers it depends - many of them are salaried but partake in several ways in the surplus value produced by the people beneath them. The team leader at your post office is still working class, beyond that you're shifting to petty bourgeoisie and then move up from there.

    For the record of this post, my mother was a teacher, my father an artisan. So yes, she was working class, but he wasn't, in spite of the fact that she made more money than he did in the course of their lives I'm sure.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report

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