Posts by nzlemming
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Russell Brown,
The way that talented artists with rich folks always have, I would think. Proust never left home and when his mother died he received a large inheritance that kept him while he did his greatest work.
That business model works in any economy :-)
Seriously? I did not know that. So if he never earned money from his writing, he was not really a "professional writer", was he? He was a talented amateur whose work people later found important enough to preserve.
By the way, Russ, have a great day licking the balls of your Twitter followers :-D
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to giovanni tiso,
No, Giovanni. I won't do that. I don't know why you're so disdainful of either me or change, but you are becoming rather snide and personal and I'm not playing that game.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to giovanni tiso,
You seem to think it’s all about marketing and nothing to do with substance. That’s your misconception but not what I was talking about above. It’s actually about engagement, creativity and diversification.
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Because they manage the exercise already,
What does this mean? They manage what exercise? They are purely about marketing, with very large budgets, and I doubt they manage any aspect of it - it's all done for/to them by their publishers.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Martin Lindberg,
Why?
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Rob Stowell,
Coffee cups. Please.
Some people are making money out of this stuff. The point of the original article was that it's not going to be enough to just take photos anymore.
There’s nothing here that sez people will stop needing professional photographers in all the usual places:weddings, ads, magazines and newspapers. People hire professionals cos they get a job done at least competently- and usually, done well, and with a bit of flair.
Sure, but the money for professional photographers has been in copyright and reprints. You do a wedding, the client orders multiple copies, maybe comes back a few years later when there's been a disaster and they've lost their prints, orders another set. These days they get a CD with print quality images, and that's your lot. And, when the job is classed as work for hire, you don't get the copyright anyway.
There's always going to be room for topline professionals - the question is what is a viable career path to become one of those and the article is saying the old paths are disappearing.
The CEO and the copy-writer’s niece may both have cameras that will take a terrific image. But you probably won’t find the marketing dept organise a photo-shoot and just ask them to turn up and take snaps.
Well, I wouldn't but I'd take my own anyway ;-) And an increasing number of people and companies will do that too. Or will use images that they can get for free which are close enough to what they want, are good quality (or good enough) and which people are giving away for free. That's reality.
Nah, ya love it :)
I love to discuss it but I don't enjoy the abuse I've had here for raising these issues, no. It gets tiring and pointless.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Martin Lindberg,
Ah, sorry, misunderstood.
Can't say I agree, as I think the main point about those writers is that their work IS product, and so suited to a mass market (and mass producer) rather than a cultural inheritance. I don't see them personally progressing their brand/reputation online. Steel has a twitter account but does not engage with anyone.
At this transitional point in publishing, they are the inheritors of the old system, the legacy users, if you will. To be honest, I don't see them going away, or changing their MO, but the opportunity is there for other voices to be heard. The engagement model I touched on above is more suited to new voices trying to make their way, I think.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to giovanni tiso,
but any society that at this juncture in history refuses to engage in a wide-ranging debate on what is to be valued in its cultural artefacts, and how to reward its intellectuals, its journalists and its artists has no business calling itself civilised.
I'm not disputing that position nor am I arguing in its favour. It falls into the strawman position that so often typifies these discussions. Not playing, sorry.
Lilith ask how a photographer might find value and create new business models. I gave her an answer. If you have a better and more achievable one, by all means present it.
The world has changed, you don't like it, I get that. But don't blame me for it. Put something concrete on the table for how to adapt to it or deal with it.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Martin Lindberg,
Exactly.
ETA Since Giovanni doesn't seem to get my point, the evolution would be if those writers had to market themselves, instead of being oversold by publishers whose motive is to move product rather than add to meaningful discourse, we might hear less from them and more from other diverse and,dare one say, more deserving voices, though that is completely subjective.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to giovanni tiso,
But is it worse? Danielle Steel, Tom Clancy, Dan Brown FFS! This is quality? Besides, I'm not replacing anything, Gio. It's happening and I'm just reporting on it. I think it's called evolution...
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to giovanni tiso,
there was a pretence
You got that bit right ;-)