Posts by Matthew Poole
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NZ police no longer has a motorcycle unit.
Oh really? Please tell that to the cops I see riding marked motorcycles. That's as recently as the last couple of months, too.
In fact, observe. Photo of NZ Police motorcycle. And proof that it's still registered. I'd call that pretty damn conclusive, personally.
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More proof that it's still registered. Open day in CHC last month. Look at the rego of the bike in the foreground.
[/edit]Also, from 2008, that's rather a lot of expensive bikes with expensive markings for something that apparently doesn't exist any more.
I would link to the photos of a police woman on horseback at the same Police College open day, but that's not proof enough for Islander so I won't bother.
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I don't know the official status of the unit.
May as well stop there. It's not on the internet, so it didn't happen. The slim-to-vanishing chance of finding a dozen cops in Auckland, with suitably-trained horses, without their being part of an officially-sanction unit, doesn't seem to matter to Islander. If it's not part of recorded history as reported by Google, it didn't happen.
Islander, if you don't understand the significance of when the internet became a commercial service, you'd better stop trying to treat it as your sole point of reference.
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attended by at least a dozen of them.
was that an official *mounted ANZ Police unit*?
Where do you think the Police would find a dozen cops, with horses trained for policing, in Auckland, if not from "an official mounted ANZ Police unit"? Seriously?
You do understand that you can't just take a horse, put a monogrammed saddle blanket on it, and call it a police horse, right? In 2009 there were "general instructions for the protocols to ride horses on duty."How does this go as far as meeting your criteria for "mounted unit this century"? A year-long trial, with horses plural, looks a heck of a lot like a "unit" to me, and it was in 2002 which is definitely this century.
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If a mounted horse unit of the ANZ Police existed in the 1990s, there would be an internet record of it
*cough*
The internet has only been a commercial service since 1994, and you'll find that there are huge holes in "recorded history" as the internet knows it right through until the late 90s. It's not in the least bit "an extraordinary claim" to suggest that there were mounted police as a formal part of the NZ Police in the 1990s. Or at least, I don't consider it extraordinary.Someone suggested that an officer must've been using his horse informally in 1996 because we don't have mounted police now. We definitely did have them in the 1980s (and you admit as much), but suddenly that fact is outweighed by the fact that we don't have them in the 20x's? That's some seriously fucking weird logical consistency you've got going on. I can point to mounted police as a unit 10 years before 1996. I can point to the use of mounted police six years after 1996. You cannot point to a single thing except the lack of conclusive evidence of current existence, and from that you leap to the conclusion that there was no mounted unit in 1996. I would suggest that you are the one making the extraordinary claim.
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Verify it? No. Can you prove that there wasn't one in 1996?
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Islander, at this point, your argument appears to be "There is no formal mounted unit now, therefore there was no formal mounted unit in 1996." How is that in any way supported by the facts? I cannot prove otherwise, but you cannot prove your position either. -
How does 2004 strike you? That reads like a "real" police horse, not just an officer using their mount for convenience's sake.
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It doesnt appear to exist now. Which is what I said - and may reinforce what just thinking/Keir posted - i.e a wild-card cop used his own mount for intimidation (perceived intimidation) purposes at Waihopai in the *1990s.*
1996 is a long time ago. Big, big leap to take the situation you can verify for probably the last five years and assume that it was true in the '90s.
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Islander, maybe it's time for a [citation needed] on Wikipedia :P
Just Thinking: Or are you going to claim that Waihopai is a US Government installation? In which case I'd like to see the appropriate title document. Land ownership records are public, after all. And if it is such an installation, then a) it's perfectly legal for the guards to carry firearms because they're subject to US law, b) Ploughshares are lucky that the worst they suffered is prosecution and conviction, and c) why was there no suggestion of evidence by US service personnel at the trial?
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There was absolutely a mounted section in the 1980s, because horses were used during the Springbok tour. I also saw them when my family saw the Police Tattoo in '86, for the Police Centenary. It's whether it still exists that is the question.
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I'm not claiming they're acting legally.
In which case there's even more onus on you to present proof. That's one hell of a big claim to make.