Posts by Robert Fox
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Historically, it came out of glam as much as post-punk, or merged the two traditions
Has anyone done genealogy of Goth bands? Musically I always thought it started with a misinterpretation of Joy Division by a load of blokes in Yorkshire and went steadily downhill from there. I think the Glam/ post punk merger theory certainly has merit though and Siouxsie was surely one of the first with the look.
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alma mater of Lucian Freud, Malcolm McLaren, John Cale and Mary Quant
and Robert Fox........... although my influence on the art world extended no further than the Marquis of Granby.
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Hard News: One man’s Meat Puppets is…, in reply to ScottY,
Sorry I'm eally late in to this thread and not got past page 4. But the first sight of Phil Collins stopped me dead in my tracks. How the Fucker avoided public execution for another day in paradise, is beyond me.
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And this at a time when News Corp appear to be going after Cameron. Strange days.
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Hard News: Back to mediocrity, in reply to Rob Stowell,
The old AMI stadium will certainly not be missed by this spectator. It suffered the problem of being an old stadium with badly planned add ons that apart from getting more bums on seats, added nothing to the viewing experience. Most purpose built modern stadiums, even with a multitude of corporate facilities, are built in a way that places the crowd much closer to the action. The Millennium stadium in Cardiff is a perfect example of such a stadium - brilliant views all around and a electric atmosphere to boot. With this in mind the decision not to go ahead with the water front stadium in Auckland was a real missed opportunity in my view.
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Sorry to hear about your Eden Park woes Russell especially as in contrast, Me and the kids had a brilliant time at the Crusaders first game at the new Christchurch stadium on Saturday night. The Crusaders performance may have been patchy but the crowd provided the best atmosphere I've experienced at a sporting event since I left the UK. And as an added bonus after officially opening the stadium "Chairman" Gerry Brownlee set in motion mass red flag waving not witnessed since Mao's heyday. Bob Parker on the other hand, was nowhere to be seen.
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Did you go to the huge Mutoid one at King’s Cross?
I'm Pretty sure that the major Mutoid one was before I moved to London so I dont think I was at the one you mention although I did go to their place in Kings Cross a few times after that. I made the move to London after Glastonbury 87 and I then spent a very psychedelic year or so at various squat and warehouse parties across London that hit a peak with the totally insane Butthole Surfers gig at the Brixton Academy. It took a year of travelling for me to fully recover from that sensory onslaught of that night. When I got back to London after my travels the warehouse scene had become pretty established the world had gone totally Techno.
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After New Order, my mate Greg and I went up to the top field, where the Mutoid Waste Company were running a crazy techno-pagan party amid cars hacked to look like dinosaurs. One of the better nights of my life.
Ditto. I haven't got clear memories of for obvious reasons, but it sounds like we may have had a very similar experience of beating out grimy Pagan rythyms at Car Henge that night. I got there a week early and managed to avoid paying by looking more and more like one of the untouchable convoy people by the day. I always say that I never really came back from that Glastonbury. An image search for Glastonbury 1987 produces some great nostalgia moments. Did you ever go to any of the Mutoid warehouse events in London in the late 80's?
I'm not sure that New Order will be the same without Hooky even though he's always been a bit of a bell end. -
I love gadgets and Apple have made some great stuff over the years. I just get pretty creeped out by the global corporate techno cult the brand has become. Jobs was undoubtedly a briliant inovator and industrialist but when even the most rational amongst us refer to him with reverence bordering on the spiritual its time to take a few steps back and get a grip.
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I moved to Tottenham just after the Broadwater Farm riots in 1985 and in the aftermath, the bitterness towards the Met festered on for years mainly because the police cracked down hard and got the wrong guys for the murder of PC Blakleock. Met policing has certainly improved since those days but the economic conditions in the poor inner city are pretty similar to how they were in the 80s. I'm not us that Cameron has Thatcher's gumption when it comes cracking down hard on disaffected youth though. http://twitpic.com/6344ny