Posts by Matthew Poole
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Hard News: Schools: can we get a plan up…, in reply to Nicholas Jones,
While decile rating is linked to students, it isn’t straightforward that students avoiding their local lower-decile school will cause the school they end up at to decline in decile.
If they come from a meshblock (grouping of around 50 households) that has an higher aggregate socio-economic status than surrounding blocks, yes, that is correct. But that would be somewhat aberrant. At the meshblock level households will roughly conform to the block’s mean characteristics, by definition, though there is always the scope for extreme outliers in any given meshblock.
So it actually is rather straightforward that students from a low-decile meshblock going to a higher-decile school will drag the decile of their destination school down. That’s how it works.As you say, though, the recalibrations can take exceptionally long periods of time between iterations, which is somewhat inexcusable given the significance of accurate decile rankings.
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Hard News: Schools: can we get a plan up…, in reply to Max Call,
So the decile ratings for schools (10% per decile) is based on schools rather than student numbers. As in top 10% ranked schools (using their socio-economic criteria) are in decile 10.
Kinda sorta nearly. It's based on the household socio-economic status of the school's pupils, not of the area in which the school is located. So a school in a neighbourhood that would be decile 5 which has a majority of pupils from households in decile 1 is going to be below decile 5; more likely around decile 2 or 3.
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Hard News: Schools: can we get a plan up…, in reply to Louise Gardiner,
Actually, Lucy, as per the Ministry information I posted, that is exactly how it works. Schools provide the addresses of their pupils, the meshblock data of those addresses is then used to calculate household incomes for the student body of that school. It's absolutely not related to the school's geographic location, except inasmuch as that somewhat defines where the school's pupils will be living.
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Hard News: The Internet Party, whatever happens, in reply to haines@lowndeslaw.com,
liberals with their right wing leanings
You're confused about what a liberal is.
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Some information from the Ministry about decile calculations:
A school provides its student addresses and these are used to determine which areas its students come from.
The student addresses are assigned to the smallest Census areas, called meshblocks. A meshblock contains around 50 households. However, only Census information for households with school-aged children is used. The number and percentage of students from each meshblock is determined and the meshblock is examined against five socio-economic factors.
Note: It is not the general area around the school that is used to calculate the decile, but the specific meshblocks where students live.
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noting an apparent roll drift from lower to higher decile schools
A drift which is literally impossible to sustain, by definition, because that's what a decile is: one-tenth of whatever it is that's being measured. If all the kids from Otara have started going to school in Pakuranga instead of in Otara, Pakuranga's schools will have their decile ratings lowered accordingly.
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Busytown: School bully, in reply to Danielle,
We’re all entitled, because we’re members of this society. Isn’t that what this is supposed to be about?
Sure, but feeling like you have some supra entitlement because "I paid taxes all my life", which somehow makes you a better person than the struggling DPB mother...?
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Hard News: The Internet Party, whatever happens, in reply to Christopher Nimmo,
If the office is in Lower Hutt, and they really have a sitting MP... maybe it's Trevor Mallard?
That was my first thought too.
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This whole thing reeks worse and worse the more that comes out. Even el Granny things there's a bit of a pong.
If there was indeed a full tender process in which the Sallies participated, how do they not know they placed a bid for the whole shebang, thinking rather that they'd applied to continue their existing work in a limited geographic area? How does the successful tenderer apparently find out from the media that they've become the nationwide provider?
Someone is being exceedingly opaque about this whole thing and I'm inclined to extend the Sallies the benefit of the doubt, since they'd have nothing to gain by lying about the extent of their involvement but a whole heck of a lot to lose reputationally if said lie were found out. Unless their command structure is actually incapable of organising a session of alcoholic over-indulgence in a liquor manufacturing premises, which is possible but doesn't seem likely given their general competence.
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Hard News: Taking a very big gamble, in reply to ,
And I'm still not sure why that's a problem, Steven. You clearly have a problem with the Sallies, and that extends to viewing their participation in the system as it stands as being inimical to their providing addiction treatment services. They "compete" for funding in the same way that anyone else who wishes to contract for provision of public health services "competes", and in the same way that any other charity that relies on public donations "competes".
You make it sound like they're doing something unethical and underhanded that makes them unworthy of getting this contract.