Posts by Cecelia
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What is Michael Moore going on about in todays' Herald?
"The people are always right, even when they are wrong they are right. Referendums carried out in the passion of the moment can be dangerous."
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You know, I totally get why feminist consciousness-raising was such a big deal in the early 70s. I'm finding it frustrating enough having women's experiences minimised, denied and ignored by about three people in this thread
Hope I'm not one of the three because of my views on nails and heels.
I do kind of feel sorry for the people who offer a different view here though. It seems intuitive that if a young woman wears skimpy clothes as in the picture in the Listener that she will be more vulnerable to unwanted male attention.
On the other hand you have put forward great arguments about the irrelevance of what a woman wears. In Megan's case the old guys might have been scared off if she was strutting her stuff - she might have looked more confident in her sexuality and guys like that are cowards, I think.
But if the dissenting voices in this thread had not dissented you would not have been provoked into your responses and people like me who are not up with the play wouldn't have got to read your arguments.
I read the Female Eunuch in the 70's and around that time vowed not to wear high heels again - or make-up! - then I went on to have three kids and work in schools and now I return to women's issues here and things have changed a bit!
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Well, I've just read "Saturday Night Fever" in the current Listener: "what the women's movement was fighting for"; "young blond"; "author of own difficulties" and "dressing like a hooker".
I have struggled to understand the vehemence of the arguments here but now have an inkling although I am a non-drinking, flat shoe wearing personage whose idea of a good time is a nice strong cup of tea and an episode of Coro.
I looked up 3rd wave feminism (again)
_ In the introduction of To Be Real, the Third Wave founder and leader writes,
"Whether the young women who refuse the feminist label realize it or not, on some level they recognize that an ideal woman born of prevalent notions of how empowered women look, act, or think is simply another impossible contrivance of perfect womanhood, another scripted role to perform in the name of biology and virtue."_ -
Is the jury not still out on media effects? The effect of violence in the media etc?
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As the friend of Emma's that has acrylic nails, I feel I have to put something in here. I'm not offended by your comments at all - there's lots of stuff other women do that I don't get.
Thanks for this. It's really good for me to be exposed to this sort of argument - I don't want my thinking arteries to harden as I get older. And I feel that this little interchange has opened a little door in my mind.
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Okay, I give up on the nails. Maybe you have helped me unearth a deeply held 70s muddled up social conditioning of my own:)
And there are always Crocs. They are comfortable (albeit a bit sweaty) and they took off like a fashion storm.
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Yes I can see your point about the nails, Emma. I'm sorry if it was a bit nasty. It's just that I really do not understand the nails. I've always felt that it's social conditioning that makes women want to wear impractical things. It's fashion, isn't it?
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Could someone explain to me (63) what the current feminist thinking is behind this discussion?
I'm relief teaching at the mo and when I see my students (girls) dressed in sexy gear on mufti days I feel a frisson of concern.
Would you like your 15 - 16 year old daughter to dress like that?
I don't like the boy fashion of wearing their trousers half way down their backside. This is wave 2 of that fashion. Now they wear ordinary undies under their trousers, not boxers as they used to 10 years or so ago.
Am I a prude?
AND I haven't worn high heeled shoes for nearly 40 years - terribly uncomfortable and - I thought way back in the 70's - a sort of symbol of female oppression - men didn't "have to " wear the silly things.
Moreover, I can't stand those plastic nails women wear. I've always thought that these sorts of fashions were a sign of female insecurity - the pressure to look pretty.
I know you are not really talking about the above and I haven't read the Listener article but what exactly is the post-feminist/feminist stand on this?
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Thanks, James. That clarifies it to some extent.I wonder if reading the book would be edifying. Without the medical background I doubt if readers could tease out all the issues.