Posts by Christiaan
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I haven’t been called on anything! You’ve been called on an embarrassing diatribe trying to redefine the meaning of ‘alleged’ and now you’re clearly irked by it.
Either put up or shut up. Please explain how the above link applies to what I’ve said.
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Wouldn't you? You're accusing me of being a rape apologist for fucks sake.
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Agreed.
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180 Seconds with Craig Ranapia - 12 December, in reply to Boganette,
Christiaan - it might help you to read this link to see why this is a sensitive topic to people http://tinyurl.com/24h8nlx
Thanks for the link. It's a nice insight. However I'm offended if you think it applies to what I've said. What I've said above doesn't fit any of the given examples. Take note, also, that whoever wrote that eloquent piece thought it important to use the word alleged.
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Frankly, I've done you the courtesy of reviewing the audio, in a good faith effort to see if you actually have cause for complaint. (I'd be the last person to claim I've never gotten anything wrong, tonally or in matter of fact.) Honestly, I don't and being obnoxiously man-splained and patronising won't improve your case.
Fine. Well, at least you taught me a new word: mansplain.
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Meanwhile a WikiLeaks cable shows the Swedish Department of Justice is quite capable of conspiring with the U.S. to undermine Swedish democracy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/wikileaks/8202745/WikiLeaks-Swedish-government-hid-anti-terror-operations-with-America-from-Parliament.html
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Hard News: Wikileaks: The Cable Guys, in reply to Simon Grigg,
That's precisely what I was thinking. Just the FT dribbling on about crackpot boogymen.
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Anyway, while I had question marks over the initial decision not to grant bail, I wouldn’t go so far as to say he hasn’t been given a “fair trail”, so far.
That Interpol was even involved was strange, considering he's not even been charged with anything. They'd already told him he was free to leave the country. If they wanted to speak to him again why not by video link? And passport confiscated, location tag, £200000 bail, 10 PM curfew? Now the Swedes even appealing his bail? None of this is about the safety of women.
I hope those who are forcefully arguing that this is simply justice taking place will just as forcefully oppose any attempt by the U.S. to extradite him, whether he is guilty of these Swedish allegations or not.
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Maybe, but all you had to say was that you think people need to be careful with their language when discussing these issues. It seems to me you went a bit further & your case started out more confrontational than necessary: “practice what you preach” always sounds didactic.
Fair point. Not only confrontational but perhaps unfair. The reaction, however, suggests it really was a Freudian slip.
And “it seems that so far he is not receiving a fair trial. No comment from you on that” was a bit odd – it’s “180 seconds with Craig Ranapia” and he made it pretty clear what particular issue caught his interest here.
Fair point. I could have worded that better. It wasn’t so much a criticism about not commenting but an invitation to.
In any case I don’t think it’s particularly wise to comment on this topic with addressing the political gorilla in the room.
I don’t get why ... you portray Craig and Boganette’s stance as being naively differential to the US.
That’s based on their reactions in this thread. They clearly see themselves as bastions of feminism but can’t even manage a serious response to comments about the broader power games at play.
It seems to me that Craig and Boganette are stuck in automatic, presumably from having discussed this topic ad finitum with misogynous gutter dwellers. I come along and offer a nuanced (if confrontational) point and they can’t get out of automatic gear.
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And of course then there's always the potential outcome of these alleged crimes that don't involve lying: they got bad advice, the prosecutors got it wrong, etc. Cripes he hasn't even been charged with anything yet.
Far too nuanced for you two I suspect.