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Was there another discussion I missed?
maybe he's just a sensitive artist type.
at the time I thought he was treated aggressively, and there's nothing wrong with that if you're up for it. He apparently wasn't. -
Was there another discussion I missed?
maybe he's just a sensitive artist type.
at the time I thought he was treated aggressively, and there's nothing wrong with that if you're up for it. He apparently wasn't. -
I want to pay artists, not fat old white men sitting around pools in Vegas.
so nothing for the people that record them (studios, mates with computers), nothing for the graphic artists that design the gatefold package for them, the printer that prints the artwork, posters pamplets and presskits, nothing for the mate that manages them, nothing for the company of factory workers that manufactures their vinyl cd, 78 cylinder or the web shop that provides the service to download them, nothing for Ben Howe (Arch Hill) Roger Shepherd (flying nun) Simon Grigg (propellor), Bryan Staff and Mike Chunn (ripper) Trevor Reekie (pagan, antenna), John Doe (Hit Singles) Bryan Waffer (I'm a Hitt), Simon Vare (Yellow Eye), Murray Cammick (Wildside), James Moss (Jayrem), Michael Alexander (Bunk),Jody Lloyd (She'll be Right), Simon Kay (Raw Power) Loop, Capital, etc etc the labels that pull it all together and provide the bridge between strummed chord and ringing recording if neded, Nothing for dad, banker, brother, neighbour friend or fat cat who fronted the cash for them to take the thing from broke (ie no cash) idea to actuality.
if you haven't factored that lot into the equation then your view and experience of the process is very limited, understandably so as the popular view in media likes to gloss over all that. Reality often gets in the way of a good tall tail, but still it doesn't take much to think past the hype.
Robbery's constant dissagreement with, almost, everybody else.
which isn't saying much in a forum that chases out the other side of the discussion with glee and consists of very fixed view (conservative?) individuals. It's like being the lone black guy at a klan meeting.
As an example the treatment shown to Mark Kneebone.
Mark is a very experienced, passionate and highly intelligent man with extensive knowledge in many many aspects of media, culture and art. He had a lot he could offer a "discussion" on copyright, 92a, culture and commerce.I spoke to Mark after he made an appearance on these boards to illuminate a different view of the picture. He shook his head sadly, and said he regretted even trying to discuss the issues with people here, and he's very very open to discussing the theories behind the evolution of media and culture. He's a very articulate, polite and calm man, and if PA likes to think of itself as a gathering place of open minded intelligent thinkers as opposed to the much derided Kiwiblog, we might have a little way to go till we achieve that nirvana.
That's a generalisation of course. there are many lateral literate minds present here too, but still ......
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Me, tiresome?
read the post, again.
your personal crusade to insult and badmouth is tiresome. If your argument is based on insult then you don't have much of an argument at all. you contributions to this thread have been predominantly snipy insults.
I don't get what you're trying to prove by carrying on like that. do you have a point or are you just here to be the hyena on the side line?Reluctant as I am to post anything which might inflame further outbreaks of ignorance
since I haven't seen any examples of a sense of humour in you I'm going to have to assume you're completely serious with that ridiculous statement of intolerance. you're taking self love to dangerous extremes.
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I didn't know I was in the presence of lawyers, just a bunch of opinionated discussion board dwellers. happy to have a lawyer declare there presence and clear up points of law, otherwise its just amateur interpretation.
I'd like to see anyone worm their way out of a parking ticket on the grounds that they weren't driving without having to prove their innocence. ie guilty until proven innocent. simply say it wasn't me without proving why it wasn't you doesn't get you off the ticket.
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you are not considered responsible for the penalties incurred, whether the vehicle was secure or not.
how does that play out?
cops - hello mr 3410, its the police here, we clocked you at 80 in a 50 area on our speed camera.you - It wasn't me.
cops - really? it was your car. has it been reported stolen?
you - nup, its sitting in the drive way with the keys in it
cops - so you didn't do it and its still in your possession.
you - yep
cops - right, sorry to trouble you or infer you did anything wrong even though its your car in the picture.
you - no problem
case closed?
if only it were that easy.
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from pilchers article linked to by jon
genuinely innocent internet users with unscrupulous flatmates, teenagers or even neighbours stealing from a wireless connection will still struggle to prove their innocence. Either way, the accused is labelled guilty unless they're able to prove otherwise. Not exactly a high point for a western democracy like New Zealand.
liken this to leaving your keys in your car and unscrupulous flatmates teenagers or neighbours take said car and get parking fines, run red lights on and speed in camera areas etc.
if you're not responsible for securing your property who is?
wireless internet should have password protection, and if your flatmates are going to put your connection at risk by using it illegally, you might want to know what else they're up to at your expense.otherwise it looks like you get a good 3 months of warned but un inhibited piracy till the cut you off. ie one warning a month limit.
I didn't seem much mention of method of detection, ie how isps intend to discern who's doing what. -
shut their yappy mouths
yawn,
when are you going to move on from this personal crusade to insult and bad mouth me Sacha. its tiresome and does you no favours.
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as he's repeatedly told us.
mark, I love you man, and I know you won't take that the wrong way.
I've told you what I've personally observed. stop putting words in my mouth. I haven't personally repeatedly told you that. you seem to be using me to personify the opposition to your immovable object of an opinion, purely cos I'm the only one apart from kyle to call bullshit on the hyped up angry man stand point. i've managed to do it without calling you names (and I'm really really good at coming up with completely offensive names)but for all the doom and gloom predictions of having isp's exercise more control over their wild west, it looks like a case of wait and see what happens.
Well, he only cares about the struggling musician,
you just make this shit up don't you.
I'm extensively spoken about film and television and said I think 92a will be more about them than music, but don't let me stop you on your tangent, you go ahead and keep making it up.tell us how you think 92a will get you personally cut off the net since you've said you don't download any pirated material.
since they haven't established how it will work there's no way for you to tell us conclusively how it will happen but you obviously think your connection is at risk. tell us how and why.tell us how someone using internet for browsing, voip, email etc is at risk of getting cut off. how do you see them getting 3 strikes and being out? what method do you think content owners and isp's are going to use to make such a misguided judgment?
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People have been trying really hard to lay it out for you as plainly as possible. If you can't deal with the facts as they are, rather than how you would like them to be, then I'm done.
and i've been trying as politely as possible in recent time to deal with the onslaught of "if you don't know I'm not going to bother explaining" rational, all delivered in a "I know better than you I'm not listening I'm not listening" tone. and if you have important points to raise that's simply not the tone to take.
i was at an apra discussion yesterday where one guy made a big fuss about downloading a song from his mates myspace page and thinking he was going to have his internet access cut off.
That's just completely mis informed bollocks fueled by the scare mongering we see in evidence on this board as well as other places.
What makes anyone think accessing a legitimate mp3 is going to get them banned from the net.my point here is if this one guy manages to get all worked up over a nothing point then quite obviously the wider public is not well informed on the discussion. people stay out of this discussion cos hot heads with unnecessary terms like "compete dick" smash all discussion. why wouldn't we have a situation where people like my mp3 from myspace friend are going to get all worked up over non issues if all we see is people tearing down initiatives over the possibility of scientology abusing the system, like they're not going to figure other ways of doing it anyway.
It seems like you live in a parallel universe. You don't seem to know:
might i respectfully say your bulltet points seem to come from a not parallel universe. I've not raised any of those things as valid arguments in anything.
and frankly you're wrong on a number of them.
users won't be terminated, account holders will, which makes the account holder responsible for the people they let use their account.My reading of anthony's statement inferrs the code was still to be decided and if that's the case all the points you listed are up for debate. whether any proof is required before termination etc.
anthony says he is for proof, so why do you keep saying that everyone's against that? it simply misrepresents intent.- or whether the things we worry about are already law (they are, they just don't take legal effect for another few days).
My wording wasn't clear enough on that. what I was referring to was the isp code has not yet been determined.
The law is don't download copyright material, how that will be controlled is yet to be determined, or even if they can control it.
whether mark gets disconnected for downloading legal system software has yet to happen.
whether I get nabbed for downloading dexter if they can even spot it has yet to happen.
detecting one mp3 being shared illegally is yet to happen, or even if that is how its going to work.the web page argument is a little moot cos you'd be a fool to host your page in nz cos they charge so much for it here and you can easily sidestep it by hosting your page from overseas servers.