Posts by giovanni tiso
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Keir Leslie,
Bullying? I wish I could be bullied like Wells.
Have your benefit suspended, then reinstated, then be harassed daily by WINZ? Yeah, must have been a lark.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Art, on the other hand, gets treated as some kind of glorified tourism advertisement or branding exercise.
Couldn't agree more.
along with its wallet, mate
On that point too I must concur with David - society funds art because it recognises its value, which is critical as well as aesthetic. So funding can't be subject to art being compliant, consonant with the ideology of the day or even polite. Which is why I thought the bullying of Tao Wells last year - and from The Listener, of all places - was so emblematic.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to DCBCauchi,
As far as I'm concerned, society can fuck right off.
Very good then.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to DCBCauchi,
You don't abrogate your artistic freedom and moral rights by accepting public funding.
Once again: I am with you on that one. I just think society has a stake in how the commerce of art works.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to DCBCauchi,
Are you saying that, because people apply for public funding, other people should then tell them what to do and how to do it?
No, I'm actually on record saying the opposite. However, we legislate things like copyright and we fund writers and artists because we have a stake in how these things play out. Which is why I think the debate needs to go beyond "leave the creative people alone, they'll be all right".
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to DCBCauchi,
We can look after ourselves.
Ah, that must be why all those competitions for funding with Creative NZ never get any applicants, or why nobody took up the artists on the dole scheme, or why the NZSO sends back all those cheques. I had been wondering.
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I thought you were suggesting that by making the example of illumination I was fetishising form over content.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Sacha,
That's all I'm saying - look to the bigger picture about value exchange and results. Whole domains like librarianship and scholarship were advanced through those monastic efforts.
Er... that happens to be my point!
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Sacha,
Let's not fetishise its form.
Let's not go down this road, but illuminated manuscripts aren't valuable just for their textual contents. In many cases the illumination itself is more valuable to us. And in fact it was a form of knowledge.
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Hard News: Rough times in the trade, in reply to Sacha,
Is changing, just as the profession of scribe did. 'Indexes' will evolve.
Sorry, no. Let's banish this language. We're not passive receivers of change, and technologies and professions don't evolve independently of society and politics. In the Middle Ages monasteries invested enormous resources for no economic return in the practice of manuscript illumination to respond to a cultural need to preserve and enhance texts that they regarded as valuable. It wasn't change that just happened, or the product of an evolution. There is no reason why we can't mobilise resources to help professions like journalism respond to the current technological shifts, and not only continue to fulfill their function but serve us in fact significantly better than they did in the old media.