Posts by recordari
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to ,
This in turn, ironically, only adds to the argument that maybe I am indeed an artist.
By this same token I'm a picture framer. Haven't framed a picture, as a job, for 22 years. But I can still frame pictures. What's my point? I'm not a boiler maker. ;-)
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to ,
Not being able to label abstract concepts restricts there development.
In some instances I think labeling them can equally restrict them.
Real life example. One of my daughters is constantly called a 'tomboy'. In my opinion this pre supposes a number of things which are not always helpful.
1) She will be more sporty than her twin sister. Wrong. They just excel in different areas.
2) She will be tough when she gets hurt. Wrong, she cries much more readily than her siblings.
3) She will discourage physical contact and tend to be stand offish. Wrong, she is much more affectionate, and craves contact more than her siblings.
4) She hates 'girl's clothes'. True.The 'tomboy' label proves completely unhelpful in most of the circumstances we encounter. If anything Islander's comments, and her 'singularity' gives me more insight, and hope, that she is just who she is, and all of it is wonderful.
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to giovanni tiso,
Labels can be affirming and also say true things about who you are.
Perhaps when you apply them to yourself. I can handle ‘I’m a feminist’ much more readily than ‘you’re a feminist’.
When others arbitrarily apply them on your behalf, often when they don’t really know ‘you’, in Bart’s sense, they can also be limiting and set you off on a course where expectations are lowered, opportunities diminished, playing fields shrunk and a number of other not so healthy things can happen. The baggage that most significant labels hold, when applied by others, seems so heavy that it’s hard to cut through the ‘what you think I mean by this’ to ‘what I actually mean ’. If you know what I mean.
ETA: Bart replied. Think I'm still current, but things move quickly round here.
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to Sacha,
Think of it as a manual “Like” button, I guess
Yezbut, it also seems more than that sometimes. On my part it signals ‘shit you just expressed my point of view way better than I could’. On these occasions I’ve decided not to try and be cleverer or somehow more erudite, as that leads to ‘stuff’n’nonsense’.
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You don't have to write a twenty-page paper on Valerie Solanas's use of satire in The S.C.U.M. Manifesto
Thank whomever for that!
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to nzlemming,
See, that’s why we have Craig.
Oh I don’t know. There’s a few of you with a pretty good left hook. Not in this discussion though, which has been a good'un.
I’ve learned a little in this discussion. Thanks.
+1
Lots of plus ones going on at the moment. This seems ‘healthy’. -
Up Front: Say When, in reply to BenWilson,
Yes, it would seem to me that it’s not incompatible with libertarianism.
And another thing, you don’t think I’m that far right, do you? I think it has been established that I’m probably so close to the centrist line that I sometimes don’t even know myself when I’ve crossed it*.
* <Hoping you’ll take this as sarcasm ;-) >
my feminism is interested in what you think, say and do. It is not interested in whether you call yourself a feminist (or a socialist, or an environmentalist) or not.
Still nodding.
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to giovanni tiso,
I think tino rangatiratanga is a useful analogy:
Damn, you got there first. And to think we came to this from such different starting points ;-)
But for me, having men say they support feminism and feminists has none of the costs and almost all of the benefits.
That rings true also. There's so much nodding going on, from people who might even be arguing against each other, that I'm getting dizzy.
I'll revert to some more quiet contemplation.
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Up Front: Say When, in reply to Danielle,
because I think the entire leftist world should be explicitly feminist. :)
Ahem. Can I get a witness on the other side of the coin, please?
After the TOFO FAQs, I fell into silent contemplation, as did, I would note, most other males who had been active in the thread. Where did this contemplation take me? Actually, I’m still on the way, but when you read ‘lifestyle feminist’ and;
men who are neither gay nor feminist like women to be promiscuous and wear as little clothing as possible.
(aptly put Sacha) you wonder what is a safe stance for ‘us’ to take?
This is something I do seriously want to get right, because three girls who look to me for some guidance in this area, along with their wholly more card-carrying feminist mother, grandmother and auntie, could be influenced either positively or negatively, depending on how badly I stuff up.
Strangely, and possibly slap worthy, when I read your first post Sally, the phrase that jumped into my head was ‘nice mansplain’.
Where did this contemplation take me?
Now I remember. George Michael. I rest my case.
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