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while we're doing the music shop trawl in chch there was record joynt in atlantis market which became galaxy records, and moved a couple or 3 times.
Then there were 2 echo records, mouse trap records, tony green who now runs and part owns amoeba records in San Francisco used to work in a record store in riccarton mall that used to stock far to many cool import records that no one ever bought out there so they'd all end up in the sales bin. Then the university bookshop was run by some cool musicians and there were some great imports out there and a small second hand section.now there is a best kept secret shop called penny lane which has a massive collection of vinyl, from moms who biff out their 40 year old sons collection cos he's been overseas for 15 years type thing. prices are pretty reasonable and the vinyl turns over quickly.
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record stores and cinema outlets have very thin margins and shallow pockets.
spoken like a man with indepth knowledge of music retail,
except ..... retails cut of a cd price is kinda big considering all they do in the process is stock the product and exchange it for money.
75% mark up on cds. ie 19.94 = $34.95
hat makup was pushed up to its present state in the late 80's
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if the music and movie industries want to hurt us, let's hurt them back. Organised one-day boycotts of purchased and rented music, DVDs and cinema films would sting.
or you could just download and pirate their wares in a mass media free for all, no wait, that's already happening.
hahaha boycott on purchases :) the only people who are still buying anything are those who don't know how to use the internet and they won't be reading this discussion.
you can turn your argument around and view it from the other side and say since consumers won't be reasonable with respecting copyright its pointless trying to reason with them so its time for militancy on the issue. no more mister nice guy. no wait, that's happening now too.
people are welcome to not consume media if they want, the problem is they want and they want irrespective of law, until it is enforced. humans are silly like that ometimes.
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That said, the CDs were retailing for an average of about NZ$15
that's more in the ball park.
youll know this of course simon but in nz a lot of people don't realise that almost half of a $34 cd price is mark up.
a CD selling in at $17.74 goes out at $32
a 19.94 cd goes out at $34.95
Record shops in NZ take a huge cut.large chunks of the nz content were supplied on sale or return basis ie the band or label wore the cost of the disc till it sold. -
will be people who are movie and tv download addicts.
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its also worth remembering that although tizard is mentioning music as a key target the people that will be triggering the large download alerts will be people movie and tv addicts.
90 gig monthly downloads aren't music people. you could probably have every song ever made in a few months with that download figure.
The people who will benefit from choking the internet are movie people. a 5 meg song 3 times a day isn't going to trigger any alerts. that's just normal usage, a couple of you tube vids.
They're going to have to get into tracking sites to get serious on music piracy and maybe that's where the child pron thing comes in. Isn't that how they were catching pron trafficers? finding the sites they visited and tracking their activity. -
having met tizard I think she's is minister who is earnestly working hard to represent her job description.
having said that there is definitely an element of "out of her depth"-ness in dealing with her arts role, lt alone applying that to technology as she has had to do with this bill.
but you could probably say that about many of the commenters on this list.
I think Tizard is doing her best to represent creatives but that she's definitely having a hard time sorting it all out, as represented by the "guilty without trial" aspect of the bill.
That could easily be fixed.there seems to be an element of the "sky is falling" here, instead of offering good clean advice on making a solution to a definite problem.
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not just talk crap on the internet.
to be fair keir I think that is the same mark harris who told a booker prize winner they should have chosen a better paying career and that her country owed her nothing for her contribution to it. kinda hard to take anything after that seriously. (zing)
I guess there is always redemption, although I think the widdle comment isn't a step in the right direction.
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mark kneebone, is this really the direction you want us to head in?
that's an interesting proposition. looking at a present situation and extrapolating where it might take you.
back when we were talking about drm and the wisdom of attacking it, I said it could be worse, they could get to you through cutting off your internet connection, its not like they don't know what the dude downloading 90 gig a month is 99.9% doing with his bandwidth. and look what they're trying to do now. I'd love to say I told you so... in fact I jut did :)
backing media creators into a corner and saying it'll all work out fine in hindsight wasn't the smartest position to take.
it was a sweet ride while it lasted but it was never going to go on forever without some kind of massive inconvenience or collapse
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I still believe recorded music is better considered as an ad for live music.
That was the attitude very strongly in australia where they have a strong established tour circuit and a tradition of hard gigging bands.
as a recording engineer/artist I see live and recoded as completely different. Live requires repetitive skills. recorded requires inspiration skills.
being able to repeat your pre written song infront of an audience is one set of skills for sure, and add to that the ability to take your music to a new level and entertain as well as regurgitate, its quite a skill set.Recording however is the ability to be many people at once. do 5 vocals, 15 guitars, push a drummer around etc etc.
if you see a record as an ad for live you do a discredit to a lot of very talented people and a separate artform.