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doesn't seem that useful in responding to what Islander says. He's wealthy, successful and he gets to travel. It's not like he has to get a job so he can afford to eat.
Certainly not the best example assuming that is in fact his current status, but given the climate he emerged in at a time when graffitti artists were being imprisoned in Europe, and that his career was forged by breaking laws, vandalizing businesses and public property, I still feel he's relevant as being an artist(among many) whose motivations, defy the self serving (feedback/ finance) generalizations presented.
And i don't feel I'm setting up any kind of binary, suggesting that antibusiness is an alternative (to feedback/finance). or that graffitti, vandalism is antibusiness. Pay me to tag your shop, it's still antibusiness.
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That's definitely not where I was steering things there Russell. I'm keenly interested in art (not specifically musical) produced outside the traditional corporate framework and instances of the framework adjusting its boundaries to accommodate this work (or not as the case may be). How this became specifically about Arts in ANZ, what I'm drinking or accusations of stupid and unfounded comments, is obviously a point of contention.
Simply, I could name numerous established and non established artists, both musical and otherwise who have bucked the corporate trends in recent years to engage in antibusiness practices, either with sampling, giveaway albums, subscription based distribution models, rooftop gigs, guerilla marketing, anonymous urban art (made all the more powerful by the free dissemination of information via the internet), performance art etc. to gain unique footholds in this rapidly evolving sphere.
Digital technology's influence on art distribution, marketing, manufacture, and inspiration is not only relevant to the ways in which human creativity is evolving, but also relevant to this discussion.
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Sure you can Islander, You mentioned Banksy being funded in response to my praising him as the reigning king of guerilla artists. so I assumed you were suggesting his funding to be a motivating factor.
from the quote I was responding to I assumed the gratification you aspire to is "feedback."
I don't know what Banksy would or wouldn't do, nor would I suggest funding was an influence, motivation etc. On the face of it, it would seem highly unlikely that it was.
"Chris, you seem to know v. little about current conditions in ANZ, and even less about the non-music arts here."
As you like Islander, but let see, it's a first world welfare state with a reasonably generous funding system. Some artists make it, some don't, some stop, some continue, some bloom late, some crash early.
an artist dies, another one uses her paints, palette, brush and easel.
-geez mate, I spent a long time earlier in my life NOT following the capitalist business model. To this day, I am an outsider in the literary game.
And no disrespect intended, in fact full respect givem, it's a well defined model, merely that it's not the only model.
I like "An artist dies" as a romanticized notion, But there's no shortage of artists in ANZ.
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what is stupid about "antibusiness as usual?" Racking (stealing) materials for street art. It's antibusiness.
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Chris, are you drinking something that has erm, effects?
no. I simply don't feel your statement stands up to scrutiny. There are countless artists, some anonymous, some imprisoned, who's motivation is anything but fortune and feedback.
And outside the renegade sphere I've met quite a few artists in their 60s and 70s doing it for nothing more than their own pleasure.
Having followed the capitalist business model may be why you overlook them, but I'm sure you must know a few.
The assumption that Banksy would have just given up at a certain age if he'd not received the gratification you aspire to is in my opinion highly debatable.
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But - if, after trying for quite a long time & as best you know how- there is no adequate recompense for all your time & energy & expenditure except for occaisional feedback (not money or other physically substantial/life-sustaining things) from your audience(realtime or blog-based or whatever), your efforts die away. An artist dies-
If you're in it for fame or fortune. If not, it's antibusiness as usual.
Long live Banksy. -
Kick-Ass.
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Get well soon Russell. Try this Ancient Chinese Elixir:
Ingredients
* 1 Can of Coke
* 1/2 a Lemon
* 1 inch of GingerMethod 1 - Traditional
1. Slice your lemon and your ginger into thin slivers.
2. Pour your coke into a saucepan, add your ginger and lemon.
3. Simmer your coke mixture over medium heat for about ten minutes.
4. Pour the hot coke into a mug, you can strain off the lemon and ginger if you want, but I like to leave them in the mug.
5. Curl up under duvet and sip your drink. -
So John enjoyed his trip?
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How does an alliance of Military heavyweights ensure a campaign against a small time militia outfit lasts for 8 years?
http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009/08/13/who-is-funding-the-afghan-taliban-you-dont-want-to-know/
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/afghanistan/100119/afghanistan-corruption-us-investigation
Fund them.