Oh, this is well known in studies in NZ and the US and elsewhere. And that there is no real downside for a conservative politician to piss all over poor people.
They both knew what they were saying when they said it. It's how English can say things like that on the one hand and be this great compassionate conservative championing the data approach on the other gets me. Such a free pass.
Mr Sahrawat said the pool of local talent was already low as highly trained New Zealand chefs and other hospitality workers were opting to work overseas.
Doesn’t this tend to suggest that pre-NCEA schools (of the kind Mr Hooton attended) were rubbish at teaching logic and reasoning?
Ahh…Steve got in before me. Professional trolls are good ones.
Compare and contrast Peter Davis and Matthew Hooton. It's a pity one has so much prominence in our country.
Watching a year old podcast with Armando Iannuci and he basically says he doesn’t know who to vote for. There are 3 Labour parties and 4 Conservative parties, and that the electoral system is broken. The Conservatives can win and have absolute power with 36% of the vote, which means there was 64% against he says. Openly admits voting LibDem in 2010 so that’s not a surprise I guess.
Which is kind of what I was arguing. The system is unable to respond to the upheavals and differences.
Lol and the Guardian headline and slant:
Labour donor pledges to stand against Corbyn in general election
If he doesn't stand down, I'll run against him! Foster says.
Yeh, it wasn't the people that infiltrated it was the ideas. And Muldoon did gosh darn broke it. So I've been told. I think that's a red herring, because they won an election and then did the opposite of what they said. That's not the fault of the electoral system!
But yes ultimately the answer to Muldoon and two elections won by a minority vote was electoral reform and more checks and balances. And I think we've seen that to a degree with the Maori Party and Peter Dunne. The opposite of that is that there are now no or limited backbencher revolts based on what their communities want as most MPs are reliant on the party.
To get elected you've got to win your wing and take them with you toward the centre. The right does this- promises of dead rats to be swallowed for now, and that slash and burn is on the way soon. There is room for all kinds of far out right wing nuttery within the Tory/National parties.
No one hates the left it seems more than the Labour Party. The left and the centre-left, or the working class and the liberals need to work together if they want to change the government. There is clearly an international dissatisfaction with TINA and let 'free trade' provide, so how do you sell and prepare for the challenges of now and 10-15 years in the future?
In many cases as well, and especially so for Corbyn it would seem, old baggage gets in the way of current need.
It's a bit like the Turkish astronomer in the Little Prince who has to dress up in a suit for people to take his discovery seriously. In NZ the Nats replaced Brash with Key. The Greens have replaced one protesty white male who was often suited, with another ex-banker white male who always has a short back and sides and is clean shaven. I don't think the message of either changed or has changed substantially.
There has been no clear answer to the Sanders/Corbyn/Trump/Le Pen rumbles, but it is clear that the status quo is broken for many and that more status quo is not the likely to satisfy.
The electoral system fails to adequately express the polity, and makes the politicians unresponsive to the voters. Perhaps?
Wow, actually finally read the your Irish post all the way to the bottom.
Perhaps the ultimate take on this is that English exceptionalism and arrogance is about to over-balance and take the whole thing down to the depths of irrelevance, in a world where China, Russia, Brazil and India are emerging economies and powers to whom a small rock off Europe is as inconsequential as it has been most of its history.
Dude posted 3 times now- please, please don’t mention the war or abstaining on welfare capping or …
Also I saw George Monbiot headbut a guy in the face. He’s a violent psycho, like most of Corbyn’s supporters. And what is Corbyn doing to stop that? The Monbiots of this world assaulting folk in the high street? Nothing, he hasn’t said anything.
Monbiot's opening salvo:
Those who tolerated anything the Labour party did under Blair tolerate nothing under Corbyn. Those who insisted that we should vote Labour at any cost turn their backs as it seeks to recover its principles.
They proclaimed undying loyalty when the party stood for the creeping privatisation of the NHS, the abandonment of the biggest corruption case in British history, the collapse of Britain’s social housing programme, bans on peaceful protest, detention without trial, the kidnap and torture of innocent people and an illegal war in which hundreds of thousands died. They proclaim disenchantment now that it calls for the protection of the poor, the containment of the rich and the peaceful resolution of conflict.
Those who insisted that William Hague, Michael Howard and David Cameron presented an existential threat remain silent as Labour confronts a Conservative leader who makes her predecessors look like socialists.
It was interesting to hear Mike Moore talk about Anderton as our Benn. It was also handy that he was able to operate as a party apart, and a yet play a crucial part. Wasn’t it Deputy PM? And a top ranking in cabinet?
Corbyn is unable to do that in the current UK electoral system and there is certainly no Helen Clark of Britain (thus far or Michael Cullen for that matter) looking to lead and bridge the divide between the old left, and current factions.
The British electoral system has its benefits. Local MPs and local responsibilities. But it seems also intransigent and unable to provide such an ‘elegant solution’ as creating a left party outside Labour that could express its own personality, yet work so closely with it when required. No one is taken for granted and no one splits the vote.
Though I guess there is a lot of different takes on the Alliance years too…!