Yep- the Greens seem to have done a fantastic job of tactical voting- if Labour voters had done better in key seats it could have been enough.
Love it: not being a traditional politician.
I’d say it is exactly that. He is being a traditional politician. He’s put out a cracking manifesto and held rallies and answered the questions he’s been asked. He’s thrown out lollies to key demographics. He’s built a good organisation and keen followers.
He is saying something he strongly believes. He’s not putting out mugs complaining about immigration nor tried to be more like the other side because they are in power, but made the case for himself.
I think the hysteria has worked for him a treat. Everybody had been expecting a craven troll trying to eat the sun because all publications and the BBC were saying that that was what he was, and instead got an old gent earnestly insisting that their kids deserve an education not a debt and that the richest should pay a bit more. Compared to May and the Tories that seemed quite a good idea.
Oh and the kids are very angry at the leavers taking their future. I think that the referendum will mean the kids will vote early and as often as they can get away with.
And that said it feels like the Rebel Alliance has failed. Luke got shot down just before releasing the missiles and the death star is almost operational. A tiny bit more co-ordination and tactical voting and you suspect that there could have been jub-jub ewok parties tonight.
Oh, this is well known in studies in NZ and the US and elsewhere. And that there is no real downside for a conservative politician to piss all over poor people.
They both knew what they were saying when they said it. It's how English can say things like that on the one hand and be this great compassionate conservative championing the data approach on the other gets me. Such a free pass.
Mr Sahrawat said the pool of local talent was already low as highly trained New Zealand chefs and other hospitality workers were opting to work overseas.
Doesn’t this tend to suggest that pre-NCEA schools (of the kind Mr Hooton attended) were rubbish at teaching logic and reasoning?
Ahh…Steve got in before me. Professional trolls are good ones.
Compare and contrast Peter Davis and Matthew Hooton. It's a pity one has so much prominence in our country.
Watching a year old podcast with Armando Iannuci and he basically says he doesn’t know who to vote for. There are 3 Labour parties and 4 Conservative parties, and that the electoral system is broken. The Conservatives can win and have absolute power with 36% of the vote, which means there was 64% against he says. Openly admits voting LibDem in 2010 so that’s not a surprise I guess.
Which is kind of what I was arguing. The system is unable to respond to the upheavals and differences.
Lol and the Guardian headline and slant:
Labour donor pledges to stand against Corbyn in general election
If he doesn't stand down, I'll run against him! Foster says.
Yeh, it wasn't the people that infiltrated it was the ideas. And Muldoon did gosh darn broke it. So I've been told. I think that's a red herring, because they won an election and then did the opposite of what they said. That's not the fault of the electoral system!
But yes ultimately the answer to Muldoon and two elections won by a minority vote was electoral reform and more checks and balances. And I think we've seen that to a degree with the Maori Party and Peter Dunne. The opposite of that is that there are now no or limited backbencher revolts based on what their communities want as most MPs are reliant on the party.
To get elected you've got to win your wing and take them with you toward the centre. The right does this- promises of dead rats to be swallowed for now, and that slash and burn is on the way soon. There is room for all kinds of far out right wing nuttery within the Tory/National parties.
No one hates the left it seems more than the Labour Party. The left and the centre-left, or the working class and the liberals need to work together if they want to change the government. There is clearly an international dissatisfaction with TINA and let 'free trade' provide, so how do you sell and prepare for the challenges of now and 10-15 years in the future?
In many cases as well, and especially so for Corbyn it would seem, old baggage gets in the way of current need.
It's a bit like the Turkish astronomer in the Little Prince who has to dress up in a suit for people to take his discovery seriously. In NZ the Nats replaced Brash with Key. The Greens have replaced one protesty white male who was often suited, with another ex-banker white male who always has a short back and sides and is clean shaven. I don't think the message of either changed or has changed substantially.
There has been no clear answer to the Sanders/Corbyn/Trump/Le Pen rumbles, but it is clear that the status quo is broken for many and that more status quo is not the likely to satisfy.
The electoral system fails to adequately express the polity, and makes the politicians unresponsive to the voters. Perhaps?
Wow, actually finally read the your Irish post all the way to the bottom.
Perhaps the ultimate take on this is that English exceptionalism and arrogance is about to over-balance and take the whole thing down to the depths of irrelevance, in a world where China, Russia, Brazil and India are emerging economies and powers to whom a small rock off Europe is as inconsequential as it has been most of its history.