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Whoa there, Mr Unreconstructed.
I missed that class.I don't know what that means, but for the record , most men would find those girls pretty, that's why they're there, it's cetainly not for their political insite.
Whoa there, i like that.:)
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It might be easier to ask her to turn straight for you. Or, y'know, pretend or something.
In fantasy land, everything is possible. :)
'Nuther off topic aside, for Jeremy. Just made my dad a very manly man birthday cake. Chocolate Bourbon Cake. Hit my email link if you want a real manly man cake recipe. No girly cupcakes 'round here. :)
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The successes of Maggie Thacher wont convince me of a new dawn of gender equality ,she ruined a country
One could argue that that is exactly what makes her a gender equal.
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that's not so much following as stalking. Because yes. Omnomnomnom.
lol
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One could argue that that is exactly what makes her a gender equal.
Well she blended in very well with the tories if that's what you're saying. Obama struggled through the Democratic Party , Clinton did too, a struggle is interesting , i'm sure maggies books might be slightly fun but those seats are in high demand from
very powerful people.Anyway I'm trying to link back to the topic.Obama, a fine politician.A new breed i hope
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One could argue that that is exactly what makes her a gender equal.
Exactly, Petra. Textbook role reversal.
Jeremy - beauty contests, GAH! They look like aliens.
BTW - 'unreconstructed' means the opposite of 'enlightened' or 'progressive'. Apparently the term came from the American Civil War (Southerners who refused to accept Reconstruction after the war).
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Jeremy - beauty contests, GAH! They look like aliens.
I don't watch them, i was joshing but they are a base example of how we celebrate our women. That looks been on cornflakes packets and coke ads since I was a boy, and call me conditioned.Aliens is a bit strong. Good looking healthy girls in a bizarre competition.
Once again i hope I'm wrong and you are right.
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Well she blended in very well with the tories if that's what you're saying. Obama struggled through the Democratic Party , Clinton did too,
This is the point. I'm not exactly one to laud her name, but Thatcher was regarded with disdain by the male Tory establishment, right up until she became party leader -- and afterwards for a while, in some cases.
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Oh, don't tell me beauty contests aren't political.
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Well, Jeremy, I was on a flight recently with a whole horde of Miss Central America contestants (long story). Next to each other they look kind of normal, but compared to the rest of the human race they look extremely weird. OK, aliens may be a little strong, but still.
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but Thatcher was regarded with disdain by the male Tory establishment
She caused polarity where ever she went.
and she's one woman.
Plenty others never saw the equality she created for herself, thanks to her individualistic societyI guess its hard for me to comment on the tories back then because I regard her with disdain too. I'll try and read her story one day, I just think she is a sideshow to discussion of gender equality and her path to the top is hardly an inspirational story .
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I don't seem to remember Tea Partiers protesting against any of that. Or conservatives generally.
Well, apart from the paleo-right who regard the sand-niggers and Christ-killers (who secretly run the United States, don't cha know?) as barely human, and who should be left alone to kill each other.
Craig and Megan seem to have cheerlead themselves to a froth. What's the point.
OK, dude, put your twatcock back in your pants because I'm spoken for. Here's a crazy idea: No woman on this Earth has to live up to your standards of lady-like ideological purity. And when you disagree with them pay them the fundamental courtesy of not scolding them for flase consciousness and "malicious dishonesty".
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I just think she is a sideshow to discussion of gender equality and her path to the top is hardly an inspirational story .
But as you quite rightly point out, in terms of gender equality we're not all the way there.
I know a number of woman who are inspired by Maggie. I even know one or two who are impressed by Sarah Palin.
I don't agree with them, but God, they can damn well be inspired by whoever they like.
And, you know, you can admire Margaret Thatcher for making her way and her mark, in what was very much a man's world, without admiring her politics. It's a little dismissive of her achievments, like them or not, to call her a sideshow.
I would also point out, that as a woman, political and media role models are few and far between. We takes what we can gets.
[eta: Oh, Rachel Maddow. Sign me up for the 'would turn gay' bandwagon.]
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I don't seem to remember Tea Partiers protesting against any of that. Or conservatives generally. Liberal blogs have been hitting Obama on those exact issues, but they haven't exactly been protesting in droves near the Washington Monument.
Independents decide elections. They exist in a space removed from progressive and conservative camps. They do not organise protests, because they have no set political agenda. If the government is not delivering the goods the independents will vote to change it.
When progressives staged grassroots/astroturf anti-war marches during the Bush years, independents paid attention to Democrats promising to break with the Bush/GOP agenda. And when the economy went south at the end of the Bush years they voted for change as promised by the progressive Democrats.
When conservatives staged grassroots/astroturf anti-healthcare marches, independents paid attention to Republicans promising to break with the Obama/Dem agenda.
The economy is still not good, independents are looking to see who is going to change the most. Who will change the least.
As per the link I posted above, the US economy has been growing throughout Obama's term. TARP was a Bush initiative, but was quickly tapped as "Obama's bank bailout" and has had a positive effect on the economy. (McCain has retroactively declared he would have reversed TARP, but again, that's a case of a Republican trying to exploit Tea Party rhetoric for electoral gain.)
Well yeah, the gifting of $billions to mega rich idiots who somehow have managed to lose even more than that. You say its great news that is brilliant for the economy and causes growth. Others say it is bad news and causes unemployment. It's either good policy or its not, and people can make their own judgement call.
In delivery perhaps, but not in purpose. Have a read of this article on the "Tea Party Manifesto". Small government, reducing federal entitlements, lower taxes, no universal health care, etc It's the Republican Party platform of the last twenty years liberally sprinkled with phrases like "grass roots", "decentralization", "independent", "not politics as usual", etc
The approach of the Bush era was to borrow and deficit spend an expansion of government. Amoung his greatest domestic successes was to increase the size of medicare by $500billion. This was termed compassionate conservatism and was not the same as the Tea Party Manifesto.
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I would also point out, that as a woman, political and media role models are few and far between. We takes what we can gets.
I mean please calm down, I've never said I'm opposing their (rightwing female media, not all woman), right to those views, i'm opposing those views. I've never said that and you keep banging on like I have, c'mon.
fundamental courtesy
Craig, Fundamental courtsey, I've got more manners than you have books, everone has more manners than you.
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You didn't just... tell a woman to 'calm down'... in a discussion about feminism, did you?
Heh.
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Chairman Mao walked around China starving, admirable in his devotion to the cause. Still, Mao...the admiration isn't deep.
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You didn't just... tell a woman to 'calm down'... in a discussion about feminism, did you?
Heh.
No, I told her to calm down on a discussion about me.:)
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You didn't just... tell a woman to 'calm down'... in a discussion about feminism, did you?
Heheheh.
a discussion about me
If this keeps up, I'm going to snorfle coffee.
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OK. Let's be a bit more straightforward. As I see it, your point seems to be based on this weird thing that a rightwing woman isn't actually doing the feminist cause any good, because really women in politics/media should make everything so much better with their delightful nurturing and whatnot. And everyone else is saying 'dude, assuming that women are going to be delightfully nurturing is, in its own way, just as essentialist and sexist as saying that they shouldn't be in public life at all'.
You are compounding the problem by using discussion tactics that Feminists on the Internet have deconstructed as silencing and patronising ('calm down', etc).
Hence, here we are in whatever this is.
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Well yeah, the gifting of $billions to mega rich idiots who somehow have managed to lose even more than that. You say its great news that is brilliant for the economy and causes growth. Others say it is bad news and causes unemployment. It's either good policy or its not, and people can make their own judgement call.
Hopefully -- but not likely -- with a sounder understanding of TARP than you have expressed above. Did you miss the part about how the TARP money comes back?
And the point wasn't to "cause growth" -- it was to stave off a collapse of the banking system. There were some hideous policy failures in the years leading up to the crunch, but once it had happened, there weren't a whole lot of other options, for either Bush or Obama.
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"To "civilianise a significant number of posts currently filled by uniformed personnel not required to deploy operationally", enabling it to shift uniformed personnel to the front of the organisation."
For one thing this sounds like we're going to open ourselves up to contractors
I don't think that there would be too many contractors involved. The defence forces already have a number of civilianised positions - I interviewed for one a few years ago. It was very definitely on a "full time employee" basis rather than contractor. I was under the impression that there were a lot of back-office jobs (analysis, logistics, etc) that were part-fulfilled by fulltime civilian employees rather than uniformed staff. It sounds like they want to expand the number of these positions, which doesn't seem unreasonable. I wouldn't worry about a Blackwater-style shift to the contracting model in the NZ defence sphere.
(For those imagining me in uniform, I'm afraid I didn't take the job.)
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No, i believe I was commenting as a free citizen on media i have read and the stereotyping has been written by others.
I aint gonna stereotype anyone, ...but i will challenge views.As I see it, your point seems to be based on this weird thing that a rightwing woman isn't actually doing the feminist cause any good,
Well that idea is not mine. It's been introduced to me by the views of woman I've met and read. It doesn't seem that weird.
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Well yeah, the gifting of $billions to mega rich idiots who somehow have managed to lose even more than that.
Is it still a gift if they pay it all back, plus some? Coz that's what the banking sector, at least, is now projected to do.
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Craig, Fundamental courtsey, I've got more manners than you have books, everone has more manners than you.
You really should get out of the house more, if you believe that.
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