Hard News: Last Words
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Sacha, in reply to
Someone might be able to clarify the latest numbers, but a whole lot more people than you will have to vote Labour before some talented members of their lower list get a look in.
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Sacha, in reply to
A vote against Labour is as good as a vote for National
you are aware we're no longer using FPP, right.
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Sacha, in reply to
which other party can concievably have a real shot at preventing asset sales?
Te Greens, in short.
I haven't paid enough attention to the Maori Party's pronouncements but it sounds like they may support sales in exchange for some iwi preference.
And from his track record I wouldnt trust Winnie as far as I could spit. Despite what seems like a strong core belief against sales who's to say he wouldn't be bought off with foreign restrictions and an offer of being Treasurer with limo and other ego-stroking baubles?
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JLM, in reply to
Edit: Oh, and Green, the local Sue Coutts so she gets the refund (very safe National seat), Keep MMP, and STV.
Thank you Tussock. I wonder how much of an extra sympathy vote Sue gets because of that shafting QLDC gave to Wanaka Wastebusters.
Even more votes I suspect because she has been an energetic and appealing candidate. Hope it translates to party votes.
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JLM, in reply to
I have to vote Labour, don’t I? Don’t I?
I think you can do it with pride after the policy in that campaign. Much as I would like to see James Shaw, David Hay and Rick Leckinger become MPs, I don't think it matters too much ultimately how the votes and seats on the left are arranged. So just vote for who you want to - you don't even have to tell.
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Hebe, in reply to
Not at all, if you want your vote to be a protest vote against National not Labour. I would vote for a stinking pile of poo if it would get rid of National, they are Cuthullull's little helpers.
Voting for a "minor" party is not a protest vote period. My interactions with Labour people in general election mode has always given me the impression that most (not all) Labourites regard MMP as an aberration that will eventually go away, and they only go along with it as much as they must until FPP is restored. Which is why the Greens may well within a term or two be the second-largest party in Parliament.
And why do I have to be left to be Green anyway?
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Isaac Freeman, in reply to
A vote against Labour is as good as a vote for National and these people are dangerous.
This is the part I think is a mistake. There's no box on the ballot paper for "against Labour". Neither are there sections for "Left and "Right". Each party has its own values, policies and culture.
I voted for the Greens because their values, policies and culture better matched what I want from New Zealand than any other party. I'd like them to do whatever works to advance their values, policies and culture. Despite the history, I think they'd get further working with Labour than National, but if that's not an option I'd rather they work with National to get something small achieved than sit on their hands for three years.
As far as I can tell, Maori Party voters feel the same way, as do New Zealand First voters, United voters and Conservative voters. Back in the days when ACT had discernible values and policies, I'm sure they were the same. I don't know enough about Mana yet, but if they're serious about getting things done they'll also work with whoever can advance their causes in whatever political environment they find themselves in.
Thankfully, Labour is capable of recognising this reality in practice. I find Winston Peters' politics odious, but I'm glad Helen Clark was able to form a government with NZ First, because I preferred that outcome to having Don Brash as Prime Minister.
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Hebe, in reply to
+1 Well put Isaac Freeman.
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Isaac Freeman, in reply to
I think Labour, being a broad organisation has some people that don’t realise they have to earn every vote, and a lot of sincere capable hard working people who do.
Yes, quite right. There are some great, sensible and sincere people in the Labour Party. I'm heartened when their voices are heard.
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izogi, in reply to
Instead, a badly flawed process may well see Carmel Sepuloni – one of a handful of MPs picked out as the face of the party for the opening broadcast – out of Parliament because her list place isn’t high enough. Others behind her, like Jordan Carter and Kate Sutton, have no show.
If it's acknowledged as a mistake within the party, I've wondered if we might still see a stack of senior Labour resignations within the first year after the election. Labour messed it up back during that phase before it pulled itself together somewhat, but it's still not necessarily too late to let in some of the newer talent. It may create some irritating by-elections.
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My vote for the greens is not a vote against Labour, nor is an explicit vote for the Greens - like last time it's a vote to pull the general Left further left than Labour
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Closing addresses on radio in background. Can't be arsed with any more of it at this stage (and I *like* politics).
Russel Norman just said unequivocally that a vote for his party means opposing asset sales. Sensible stuff from a few senior Labour MPs before that. And I survived interminable smugness and bursts of the Feelers to get that far..
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
I'm thinking that a lot of the list positions are reward for supporting Goff. If another one of the old guard gets in as leader (or they wierdly decide to stick with Goff) then the same thing will be perpetuated.
The only hope for them is to break the cycle and get a leader that actually cares about more than maintaining their position.
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Kracklite, in reply to
+2
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thegirlstefan, in reply to
the TV One order seems different- Labour then Nats so far
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also, what's with Key's diction in this piece? I know he struggles with Maori pronunciation, but in this broadcast he is channeling an elderly in-law of mine after he's had a few rums and his dentures start slipping.
Sacha,did you have to endure the Feelers in the radio format?
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
. . . bursts of the Feelers . . .
Rock snot.
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Sacha, in reply to
endure was the operative word, yes. every couple of minutes to break up the smugtalk.
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Sacha, in reply to
To be fair, his government has hugely reduced that practice - at the expense of unimportant things like homecare for the elderly.
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Party vote: Green in hope that they will pull whoever is in government leftwards.
Electorate vote: Burns. Chch central was very close last go around and there's no one better who has a shit show.
Referendum: keep MMP. My first voting experience was in Ilam in 1993. 'nuff said
Referendum #2: STV I'm all about proportionality.
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On TV1 John Keys dreadfully filmed monologue singlehandedly won the worst video of the year award. Appalling. What are they playing at! 1/10
Labour production values wonderful, range of speakers, clear past successes and future intentions. Credible persuasive and watchable. 9/10 -
Key's so-called presidential leadership style doesn't bug me so much. And what Labour voter didn't feel the same way when Helen sailed in to power in 1999? Voters love strong leaders.
But, golly, I despise his tendency for suppressing fundamental & relevant information, passing his selfish agenda under urgency, and crashing over the top of his interviewers with condescending, bombastic, non-answers.
Talk about Muldoon style soft-fascism.
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Remember people. Don't Vote Drunk.
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thegirlstefan, in reply to
If I remember the same approaches were used in the Opening Addresses. Any were equally criticsed/praised. Any thoughts as to why it didn't affect poll results?
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Last Wednesday night. Simultaneously feeding self, kids and working. Phone rings. Fuck me, it's the Prime Minister, in his best radio, Branson-interviewing, shock-jock voice:
"Hi! It's John Key here just calling to remind you to vote on Satur ..."
John Key on automatic voice message. No *almost* about it. I gagged on my pasta.
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