Posts by Rob Stowell

  • Hard News: The fake news problem, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    a very human revelation that cuts right across the constant narrative that Trumpistan is chock full of heavily armed hyper-patriotic hillbillys.

    What is the truth, again?

    The truth seems to be that Trump is seriously considering John Bolton as Secretary of State. Or Guiliani.
    Both played significant roles in lies, obfuscation and attacks on international institutions in the lead-up to the 2003 Iraq war.
    Something the 'war-weary' druid might want to consider.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem, in reply to David Hood,

    Didnt realise 2/3 of the states were so close. Still reckon it's unlikely but who knows - a hugely popular president trump and a booming economy?

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem,

    Thanks DH.
    Also worth noting: when the article starts and goes on with crude name calling, it's not likely to be reliable.
    The argument that senators and the electoral college are there to protect the rights of individual states is quite true. That was the rationale. It's also fairly obvious its not very democratic - if you believe a key democraric principle is the vote of every eligible adult being more or less equal.
    The constitution was written for very different times. It's a sign of America's weakness and decline that now it is close to impossible to change it.
    Pres Trump might have a go at the first amendment but only because he doesn't get this yet.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem,

    Irrelevant to who is legally president. But very relevant to the stories that we tell about this election. Which is why it’s being peddled.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem,

    Yeah sorry. Or worse, suggest you become a case study ;) Easy to forget how information and information skills are a luxury.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem,

    You read it somewhere? Its so obviously wrong to anyone who has followed the *actual* news or has a clue about how the electoral college works and the final vote there came out or paid any attention at all to how the states were voting or has any ability to tell a fake "news" site from one whose agenda includes actual reporting ... it's not worth starting on the process of getting you informed until you've shown some iniative of your own. Try Wikipedia :)

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem,

    'Next News Network" - apparently funded - according to another crazy right-wing website - by 'radical zionist' Gary Franchi.
    There's a world of craziness/horror out there. Not even hiding.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem, in reply to Russell Brown,

    this almost unwatchable exercise in blather

    Which is dressed up in the clothes (scrolling bottom third, picture in picture, moving background, etc etc) of a real news organisation. On the one hand, it's pretty cheap and relatively easy to do that stuff nowdays. OTOH, 'next news network' are selling ads but almost certainly have some other $$$ k-ching behind them.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    In the case of tech journalism, and going back to the print era, I would put it at over 50%, whether it’s driven by lack of understanding, sources with an agenda (selling something, often) or desire to create a good story where none exists. I’d say tech is probably about average.

    Fair enough, that’s your reckon. I reckon a careful analysis would find a far lower percentage of stories with any factual errors – and even with those stories, there might be errors, but the overall thrust of the story would be more-or-less accurate.
    If you’ve worked as a journalist and made mistakes, you probably get a better sense of how this plays out. People don’t just roll over and shut up …
    That’s not in any way dismissing the extent journalism is under pressure. Re-cycling press releases is one major consequence. There’s been so much more money (and, increasingly, numbers of jobs) in PR/’Comms’ than in journalism for so long. We’re losing the battle.
    You need decent general knowledge and a sceptical nose to read the news – sort out what’s real, important, valuable, trivia, trash – but then you probably always did. Dismissing the whole enterprise is no way forward.

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  • Hard News: The fake news problem, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    In general, I tend to regard any information not evidenced by my own eyes, by the eyes of somebody I know personally or properly evidenced research as ‘for entertainment only’.

    Yeah? We know journalism is under great threat - more and more to be done by fewer and fewer people (and resources ...) And mistakes have and will always happen. Similarly, there will always be a few journalists who don't care or take short-cuts.
    We can point to stories where we have detailed knowledge, and see the short-comings and/or outright errors - often unacknowledged. But what percentage of what is in the major outlets is in this category? 10% would be a high estimate - and it leaves 90% more-or-less fair and accurate.
    How have so many people been conned into believing in either a grand MSM conspiracy or some version of 'it's all spin and fabrication anyway so don't believe any of it'?
    It may not be the goal of such disinformation campaigns to spread distrust and uncertainty (far harder to fight, as the tobacco lobby found) rather than actual lies. But it has that pernicious effect.

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