<quote>As someone quite rightly put it last night....'if not one talks, everyone walks'.
Yep, I find that pretty creepy ...</quote>
Think of it another way: we have a right to silence in this country, and it's the job of the police, rather than the accused and co-accused, to prove the allegations.
Well, Howard Broad has been quite careful to caveat what he has been saying, and to refuse to answer where it might compromise his investigation, so he's in the clear. OTOH, given the cops are leaking the juicy sewer details to the media, as an institution they don't look so hot.
Saw Annette Sykes on the late news tonight, and she did have a point: given the distribution of those charged, why was Ruatoki the only place which had its transport links cut and where everyone was stopped, searched,and photographed? Was it because they were brown?
I'm also wondering what's going to happen to those photos. People who aren't actually suspected of any crime, but were just goign about their daily business. Will that evidence be destroyed, or kept around for later? (Was the roadblock a fishing expedition so they could identify more people in their surveilance tapes?)
Actually, the ammunition is dodgy too - unless of course you have a firearms license. But then I'd also hope that the person who sold it to them was prosecuted as well...
I'd think that this list of offending trademe purchases would indicate that at least one person likes running round like a soldier...
Which we might want to remember isn't actually illegal.
Looking at that list, there are two dodgy items: a "Sig Assault Rifle" (which I'd hope isn't what it sounds like) and what looks from the description to be a 10-shot magazine for something (meaning it turns whatever it is plugged into into an illegal military-style semi-automatic) (I am assuming here that the person did not have the appropriate type of license). The rest is all fine, though probably of interest to the extent it helps build a conspiracy charge.
Ok. So you get into a lift and find a cobra, a lion and John Banks. You only have two bullets in your gun what do you do?
Hope you have a license for that firearm, because otherwise you're going to jail?
Unlawful possession of firearms
And when you actually read it further, that "unlawful posession" means "getting to play with someone else's gun". It's an offence, you see, unless they have a firearms licence (or you do).
Normally, this isn't the sort of thing people check, so they may be able to argue some "good faith" there if they really had no clue that the weapons were illegal.
(I'm presuming here that the person who actually owned the guns wasn't licensed. If they were, then the police are grossly abusing the law. It's not illegal to learn to shoot, and its not illegal to play with guns if you are supervised by a licensed owner).
The restricted weapon / semi-autmatic stuff, OTOH, is another story. This is stuff everyone should know is illegal. If someone offers you the chance to play with their Kalashnikov or molotov cocktails, Just Say No.
I don't want armed sectarian conflict OR jackbooted wannabe thugs doing whatever they wanted with no public scrutiny or oversight.
How does that fit into your dichotomous world view, I/S?
Perfectly; I don't want either either. It was just a comment that some people seem to be frothing for some real terrorist action, just so they can be "proved right".
Posters here whose first instinct is to trash the police might just want to give some thought about what the consequences for NZ would be if a militia was allowed to set off an armed sectarian conflict.
We'd have people like you demanding we give every jackbooted wannabe thug in a uniform a blank cheque to do whatever they wanted with no public scrutiny or oversight?
We're not talking about "armed sectarian conflict" here; we're talking about a few isolated nutters with guns and no popular support base (something absolutely vital for any real terrorist movement). And it's entirely proper to treat them as such. But please continue your hysteria, it's most amusing.
I don't care if they're right-wing or left-wing crazy people, or "badly organised" or not. And I'm not clear on what freedoms I'm being deprived of in the police intervening to stop crazy people doing crazy things with weapons.
Intervening, I should note, by getting search warrants, arresting people, bringing them to court the same day, and planning to prosecute them in open court under ordinary laws.
We're a long, long way from the "war on terror" here, folks.
What this also means is that if the police are over-egging their case, and apart from a few unlicensed frearms (which are a Bad Thing) all they have is dumbarses mouthing off like they do on Kiwiblog every day, they're going to lose very badly in court.