all too, true...
*headdesk* You do realise, in pursuing the personal (tone/ behaviour) over the logical (content), you are kind of supporting the substantive point that you started off opposing?
Were I a moderator, I would delete every single comment above about people’s Twitter behaviour (and then this comment, too)… There really is such a thing as veering too far, and too unproductively, off topic.
At the serious risk of mansplaining... one of the pairings of ideological silos we seem to keep getting stuck in here is the opposition between "obesity is a mass noun(!), and we should concentrate on its mass, probabilistic, population-level real-world effects" (as maintained by Bart, Sacha, and others) and "obese people are individuals, and their feelings are real too" (as voiced by Danielle, Deborah, and others).
Each of these viewpoints, pursued to the point of ideological purity, causes the other camp some understandable frustration; but (and I'm certainly not the first person to note this: see Rebecca, for example) it's not a competition, and any political solution will have to balance both the population-level and the individual-level effects. Continuing the discussion means recognising and respecting these differences.
Just so I can be reminded of where I stand.
Surrounded by respectful and fearful (if, and because, sometimes blundering) supplicants?
... And also, unreconstructed idiots like that NZInitiative audience member. From here, hard to tell which is in the majority. Going off now to re-read the "missing stair" thread...
Very helpful summary, Rebecca.
(Ironic that "obesity = name-calling" is a reductionist position.)
On reflection, I've reworked my poem a bit as follows:
Key calls his lawyer's ethics "high",
and few can fault his thinking:
ethically, he seems to be
not merely high, but stinking.
Key’s lawyer’s ethics are said “high”.
We must support his thinking,
in that his standards seem to be
not only high, but stinking.
Nobody *needs* coke.
A line sure to have some snorting in derision...
the full depths have been sounded
Not yet; wait until he starts using his toothbrush creatively onscreen.
Then perhaps the remaining audience might finally bristle in response…
* Um, a cautiously worded explanatory note: amongst other meanings, sounding is something Alfred Kinsey famously enjoyed doing with his toothbrush, bristles first, and with camera rolling. I humbly suggest "plumbing the depths” might be more appropriate here, as more directly connoting that the content is shit.]