I can see the headlines now: "Bridges burns bridges over bridges"
I’ve always thought that free speech is probably the single most important right in our society and we are all damaged when it is restricted. Blocking someone on the basis that they might say something upsetting in future while letting others speak is wrong at a very fundamental level.
There’s a big difference between actual free speech, and what’s best described as “the best free speech money can buy”.
‘kiwi_guy’ didn’t come across as a garden variety anti-abortionist, chances are he’s more like a self-proclaimed MRA of the kind who read sites like WND and Breitbart.
Thinking that everyone should work for a living IS a communist ideal. They had a real problem with idlers. Most especially the idle rich who not only don’t have to work, but also have a higher standard of living than workers.
Hell, the Soviets likely sent ‘bludgers’ to the Siberian gulags. As Joe Stalin supposedly said, “one death is a tragedy, a million is a statistic”.
While I don’t agree with them about the sanctity of work, I do think that if I were a work-worshipper I’d focus my ire at the rich and powerful rather than the poor and weak.
George Carlin said it better than I ever could: "The upper class: keeps all of the money, pays none of the taxes. The middle class: pays all of the taxes, does all of the work. The poor are there…just to scare the shit out of the middle class."
It’s simply part of living in a functioning society. If people don’t want to live in an actual functioning society then they are welcome to pull up a deserted island and Bear Grylls the rest of their life.
Or for that matter, living behind razor wires and concrete barriers, and travel to work and school in armoured cars. Kind of like how it’s done in Johannesburg or Lima or La Paz or Caracas. At best it’s a symptom of a bitterly polarised society, at worst it’s the first step to a neo-feudal state, even a failed state.
From my past experiences, the dole was hardly a lifestyle choice; if anything, it felt a lot more like house arrest. Those on welfare already have enough soul-crushing lecturing as it is from the usual culture warmongers, especially those with disabilities and mental illness. What they need is a second chance to climb the ladder – in practice that means things like boosting apprenticeships or the ability to work from home. No amount of School of Hard Knocks from Key/Bennett/Tolley et al is going to fix a thing.
A generation or two ago, people in the current ‘bludger’ demographic would have been in factories and meatworks – industries that just happened to be at the whim of globalisation (including Britain no longer needing our produce in 1973) and mechanisation. In those days, such industries weren’t the most efficient – being propped up with tariffs and subsidies – but they did allow the unskilled to work and skill their way up. Even white-collar jobs are increasingly not immune.
And what if we were to end up with the logical extreme of a situation where robots and the Internet of Things produce flawless products, but not enough people with the money to buy them? CGP Grey’s Humans Need Not Apply comes to mind, as does an anecdote by the UAW’s Walter Reuther: "how are you going to get these robots to buy cars?"
Which neatly ties back to the Future of Work commission and ICT apprenticeships. It goes to show that Labour has some neat policy ideas, now if they could stop looking like the Peoples’ Front of Judea…
Fair enough. So who is responsible for the party’s obvious and ongoing lack of strategic nous for many years now? President, Secretary, Board, Caucus Leader, Caucus, Chief of Staff?
In particular, Mike Munro and Heather Simpson left some big shoes to fill after they left.
She also mentioned that some of the conservative and powerful men about town were the cause.
So it’s less about actual morals, and more about ‘bugger the rules, I make them!’. It doesn’t seem far removed from what drives paedophile priests to commit acts of hypocrisy.
Re. “aspired” – I’m sure Paula Bennett’s case manger was trained to gaze into her eyes to detect any lurking flicker of entitlement. Finding only the pure light of aspiration, her ticket out of munterville was given the deserving stamp of approval.
The Paula Bennetts of this world are deluded if they think that everyone can graduate with distinction from the (Charter) School of Hard Knocks like she did. More likely it’ll be savaged by the ERO for driving its students to suicidal despair or violent frustration, prefects abusing their power, grade tampering, and corporate welfare.
Indeed. Of late Labour has been talking about housing and the future of work, and the major response to the formation of “Progress” has been to say, “Oh, that’s interesting. Labour is a broad church.” And then party leadership has carried on talking about things like, well, housing and the future of work and the like.
One of the better ideas by far to come from the Future of Work is the proposal for an ICT apprenticeship system. It solves the problem three-fold: the ICT industry not being able to find enough skilled people; workers finding the barriers to entering the industry too high (such as myself); and the skills goalposts shifting every few years or so. Pity then, that Prostetnic Vogon Joyce isn’t interested, instead setting up an ICT grad school which only reinforces the rungs at the top of the ladder, rather than the missing rungs at the bottom where it's needed most.
This ‘kiwi_guy’ has an undercurrent of MRA/Cultural Marxism/“uncovered meat” dogma about him. Not once did he make any mention of the other half of the equation – and I’ve mentioned it before – “young, dumb, and full of cum” or “boys will be boys”.
Your reply to #5 is just insulting.
The one about the cartoon, or the one about the ‘normal rules’? Or both? I wasn't directing my comments at you personally, I was referring to the wider issue of the "just world" fallacy.