Finn, you wrote:
threats of violence and aggressive stand-over tactics are not something that is exclusively restricted to women online, or I'd argue something that is even directed more at women than men.
A fair guess, but quickly disproven by research. Webweaver's post, among the many others on this topic, is a good summary and has reference links (thanks for outing yourself!):
Michel Cukier, professor at the University of Maryland's Center for Risk and Reliability, authored a study last year where automated chat-bots and human researchers logged on to chat rooms under female, male and ambiguous screen names, such as Nightwolf, Orgoth and Stargazer.
Bots using female names averaged 100 malicious messages a day, compared with about four for those using male names and about 25 for those with ambiguous names. Researchers logging on themselves produced similar results.
If I might venture an answer to the question posed in the title of this one, no I'm not going to free you
Good lord, not another one too young to remember Goo. Creak. Creak. Somebody bring me my cane.
Steven: you are obviously rather upset, and so perhaps have not noticed that this thread and the post was obviously dedicated to the women of PA being able to talk about their experiences of the internet. I think it's sad that your repeated appearances were so focused on some perceived slight to yourself, and had no substantial contribution to the wider issue. Ultimately, dude, this post wasn't about you; it was about us. I hope you can get over it.
To address your concerns, since you have dedicated so much time and energy to getting one, and I have accepted by now that you are not really a troll:
I don't see what's so offensive, or incorrect, about observing that comments threads on any political blog from the West (apart from dedicated feminist sites or dedicated ethnic minority sites) are generally dominated by white males.
If you are white, it is odd that you are offended by the term 'white', although I wouldn't discount the possibility. There's no way I can stop calling white people white though - perhaps you prefer 'Caucasian' or 'of European descent', but I think that's clumsy.
If you are offended by the term 'boy', it is odd that you don't feel offended on the behalf of women by my (and the other female commentators, and Kim Gordon's) use of the word 'girls' to describe ourselves.
If you are offended that the hallowed ground of the PA System was compared to a playground, this is pretty damn precious, laughably so. We talk of parliament as a kindergarten all the time, do we not? Is a blogsite as revered as our legislative chamber? Are PA System participants never childish, or, alternately, are they really that up-themselves and self-congratulatory that they would be wounded at the very suggestion that they might be? I don't think so.
All my other posts I fed into the Gender Genie have me as much more of a dude than Emma. I guess I'm letting my 'feminine' side show here, by saying 'we' a lot, or referring to 'chicks'.
Joanna and Lx (first time poster! Unless you are Joanna's new pseudonym), thanks for your posts, and for all the women who are talking about their experiences here, and privately to me via email.
But J & Lx: here are two smart, third-wave-generation women. Who are admitting they have no clue how to reconcile their discomfort with women's disempowerment by society, with the expectation that we should pretend that disempowerment doesn't exist in order to safeguard our dignity. "I don't see what I can do about it" is a haunting thing to see written here and now, after all the trailblazing done by successive generations of the women's movement. I don't think this is some kind of dead end. While the boys (and those judged to be boys) get out their calculators to see who is a boy and who is a girl, does anyone have any responses to what can be done about it?
wasn't me - didn't see the one-month mistake but it reinforces my WTF point about the possibility of Koreans in the States now being targetted in revenge attacks.
Sorry, it was Mark E who spotted that.
This may have been posted already, but Salon reports that Korean students are now 'fleeing' the V-Tech campus.
Personally, I think they have a better chance of being met with understanding and compassion on their own campus than out in the rest of America.
As poplicks and angryasianman point out with some of that handy Asian math-whizzkid 'subtraction' stuff, the shooter was 8 years old when he migrated to America. That makes him as American as Keith Ng is a New Zealander. Should Keith go on a shooting rampage, I don't have much doubt that he would be identified in the media as a 'Hong Kong migrant', although if he's winning international journalism awards he'd be 'Keith Ng, Proud Kiwi'. Still I don't doubt the Herald was just running with the editorial bias of their international feeds; the '1-month' mistake Juha referred to could have been a carry-over from when the US media was running with the idea that the kid was an international student from China. Fucking sloppy... I know what time the Herald gets put to bed, and every Asian-American blog had the information about the shooter's identity and American status well before that deadline.
Elsewhere on the internets, some news organisations got the wrong armed-to-the-teeth Asian guy, the Chicago Tribune couldn't tell the difference between Chinse and Korean, people flocked to GoDaddy to register VTech massacre-related domain names...
...And another email to me from 'wiremu5' with the subject header: 'This IS the Yellow Peril, smartass bitch' gets spam-blocked from my intray....
One time, I ordered french toast from a hotel cafe in Hong Kong, and got what appeared to be a deep-fried peanut-butter sandwich with golden syrup drizzled over top.
You know, there are probably people who think that sounds like a good thing ...
This morning cholesterol jolt - aka Hong Kong 'French Toast' - happens to be Keith Ng's favourite breakfast in the whole wide world. He seeks it wherever he senses yellow people.
I guess that's happened to various cuisines as they've migrated anywhere
Yes - some of it's great, and some of it's terrible, and it's a total crap shoot. Don't ever ask for a fruit salad in China, you might get tinned peaches with thousand island dressing, which is not a pleasant combination. But Vietnamese prawn omelette? Fantastic of course. On a purely technical level, so much of it comes down to a) genuine knowledge of what's good about either original cuisine, and b) the adventurousness of the palate that is the dish's main market. I think it's fair to make generalisations about the state of both 'fusion' and 'white-directed' Asian food in New Zealand, because much of the time it tends to miss out on the best of those factors. Any offense you might be taking Russell is, I assure you, cancelled out by my offense at having had to try eating some of this crap! And also, some of my worse experiences have been when a Malaysian place tries to make a Mainland dish or vice versa, rendering the result not 'interesting fusion' but totally inedible.
Like I said in the original post, I have had some good fusion food in this country - in Wellington ironically - but it's been a rare treat. I know it can work - but for example, I somehow doubt that foodcourt butter chicken (Indian food cooked by Indians for their idea of what white people want, and actually do seem to want) is going to challenge Mee Goreng (Chinese food invented by Indians for their idea of what Malays want) as a high point in culinary street-eating fusion. History may prove me wrong of course...
Mt Eden's been moist since 2000.
Didn't the Roskill/Eden dry areas go in the same election year? Ah, yes, I think I was wrong, it was the 1999 election, Roskill wasn't an electorate in '96.
Ooh, now we see the cultural generalisations ... when have I ever asked anyone to dilute a recipe? Keep this up and I'll have to start making fun of your kiwifruit nectars ...
There, there pet! Er, what's a kiwifruit nectar? You mean those gallons of green stuff you get at Silver Bell? Kiwifruit (including those smooth yellow 'Zespris') are native to China anyway, they can probably do whatever stupid shit they want with it....
Like I said, it's not really the white customers who directly ask people to dilute recipes or ruin menus *on the whole* (although I *can* cast some specific blame on certain dishes in certain restaurants being rendered totally inedible because of the Pakeha requests for them to be served with ever more oyster sauce dolloped on top, or other fundamentalist favourites of the actual ethnic community being represented disappearing due to complaints about the 'smell'). Ultimately, these are the choices of the chefs/restaurateurs themselves and reflect their compromises and expectations of what the market will respond to when it has 'ethnic' in mind (seemingly volume, coconut cream, deep fried things, mildness, and lots of salt and sugar notes). Such choices are disappointing and sell-out, but are probably also based on their realistic appraisal of what their business is dependent on if their clientele switches suddenly from their own ethnic community's closely guarded secret, to an inundation of people responding to the style/food pages of a Sunday newspaper.
The food of the future here might just be a bit low-rent according to Cuisine magazine - the current issue has an editorial about the lack of sophisticated Asian restaurants.
You mean Monsoon Poon doesn't cut it as 'sophisticated'?
Perhaps the palate compromises that come with 'ethnic' restaurateuring is why seriously good quality 'Asian' food, whether traditional or 'fusion', in a fine dining environment is pretty bloody hard to come by here? Or is it the training available? Is the segregation of 'ethnic' and 'mainstream' chefing workforces? I honestly do not know.
Dojo in Wellington is a rare example of both fine-tuned classic dishes and successful contemporary Asian fusion in a classy joint, driven by a talented owner-operator chef. It's the slightly more purist breakaway from Chow, which is not so good. There may be others like it, but I haven't experienced any.
As for AK, I expect even the most sophisticated of the traditional big flash loud Chinese restaurants do not count as 'sophisticated' (I'm thinking 'China'); and I've never been impressed by the food at Ponsonby Rd Indian places at the height of their fame. (does Cuisine count that as 'Asian'?) The Japanese do it all pretty well of course.
At the end of the day though, if the best quality 'Asian' food in town is: at the one popular stall staffed by a Soup Nazi at a deserted [undisclosed location] foodcourt; in the converted pie-warmer at a [undisclosed location] sweet-shop; at a little hobbit-hole diner near the [undisclosed suburb] roundabout; or on a paper plate in the middle of a sports field, I'll take it - and hide the map so that all the white people don't turn up there en masse, encouraging the chefs to dilute or corrupt the recipes, as has happened to so many places in the past... It's not the white people's fault, let me make that clear... But you *know* that's how it goes.