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  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Kracklite,

    Whatever you think of his theology, his paleontological work,

    you want some depth?
    de Chardin's credibility took a huge hit after the Piltdown man fraud.
    Sure he could have made some difference to the catholic church if they were interested in listening to him. They werent of course, because it would have meant looking seriously at changing their power structure. Probably not a bad thing.
    No he got shipped to missionary work in China.
    Anyway Lao tzu and Buddha had predated his ideas by millenia.

    but your argument style looks shallow and sneering.

    Wrong, I call it being comfortable with the subject matter and being able to joke with ease about it. I know a lot of people take it all so seriously and that is the problem. Theirs not mine.

    targeting some incidental aspect or association aside from the main point.

    The main point being? I think we have derailed the tread enough and it is you who are trying to trivialise my arguments not the other way round using words like "dick" and "cattiness". And if Dexter was so upset let him tell me not you.
    Ciao

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    Teilhard de Chardin was even beyond anti-Darwinism over half a century ago, so your caricature of theology is irrelevant.

    And most of what he said was waffle not worthy of serious consideration.

    Lilith takes her reasoned approach to atheism and consequently her dignity seriously. It took her hard work and serious thought to arrive at her position and I respect her, her seriousness and her integrity for that.

    And in your opinion I havent done that? I find that summary judgement ludicrous.

    Perhaps you might assume the same right applies to others? You prove my point about SOME self-declared atheists being dicks. If people are going to be sensitive about personal abuse, then perhaps it should be consistent?

    Oh get off your high horse would you.

    DexterX just went to a funeral. Presumably it was the funeral of a friend or family member. Tact might possibly be appropriate? Maybe? Perhaps?

    Now a lecture on tact, Wow you really do take the cake.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    I tend to prefer the traditional religions to the new age

    Yeah, they're good now that their murdering, witch burning days are behind them.
    The new age is a term not a religion. Charlatans just the same tho.
    And how one man lived his life means only something to him and those around him. Extension of his deeds to whatever religion he followed doesnt mean much.
    Ok one last one

    A Christian friend tells me that God decides what shoes she wears

    God as fashion consultant! Who knew.

    – she doesn’t get emails or texts,

    That is redundant, we all know this god thing is a technophobe.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    Emma's original post, seems to me, pointed out how our politicians think we are supposed to take their words at face value, but they dont ring as true (Im not having a discussion about how I use the word), they really dont. Yes, I s'ppose we can hide behind the words we utter. Its a fools refuge, it can degenerate into intellectual posturing or posturing of any kind for that matter, and has here.
    Thanks Ben & Kracklite you have not enlightened me in the least, but thanks anyway.
    And apologies to Emma I took up the challenge and derailed the thread , sorry.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Hard News: The question of Afghanistan…, in reply to Simon Grigg,

    Jason Burke’s 9/11 Wars

    That looks very good

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    Orwell’s use of a dog in “A Hanging” allows him to indicate the repressed emotions of the policemen, emotions barely repressed and threatening to break out, so they cling desperately to procedure, hence the superintendent’s noting the lateness of the time”, Monday afternoon it’s,

    those moments.

    Mix that up, add a rich seasoning of ums, ahs and Monty Python references and half-bake it and you have my portfolio of jobs.

    Busy boy then.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    all those “spiritual” questions – identity, community, belonging, tradition, purpose, meaning, origins, death. Call it a crutch if you will,

    Yep the walking wounded. To mention a few.
    That is, when they walk.

    simply to avoid the misery

    We're all trying to do that

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…, in reply to Kracklite,

    Faeries hiding at the bottom of your garden you say!
    Bet I could catch one of the little fuckers
    Lemme at 'em
    I can translate as well

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    Mine’s “pedant.”

    I got that haha

    ask whether by “darker” you mean “obscure”?

    Well obscure in the sense that most people dont bother to investigate, and in the case of some religious organisations(and it is mainly religious organisations) actively discouraged from finding out what it means to be born as we are, ignorant.
    Each generation has to relearn or accept what was handed down as having some validity. It worked for a long time and still does knowledge about our immediate environment was and still is important to our survival. Then it just got so we could push it away a bit and into its place seems to have crept a lot of “hubris” ok
    bullshit, which has acquired the respectability of having organisations that peddle this nonsense and distort it to include lies. Yes lies that say ‘oh our grouping has this special relationship with “youknowwho” you could join and become one of us if you DONT well could get nasty after you die’ Its blackmail of the nastiest kind. And unfortunately because, us being social animals, some find the company just dandy the lies gain some validity in their minds and so it goes for another few hundred years.
    And to not upset these carefully arranged psyches, which can get messy. Now others find themselves tippytoeing around subjects that need a good looking into.
    The human mind is not such a dark and mysterious place once you get to know it. But we are, as Islander said, maybe a slightly insane species clinging sometimes rather desperately to what we know, what we were told, what makes us feel part of a group. Imagine that on the scale of 7 billion and you start to get a glimpse of the problem, and it is a problem, we as a species face.

    Oh shit does anyone need a translator?

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

  • Up Front: The Up-Front Guides: The…,

    Does not compute.

    It was a joke

    Assume that I took “tribalism” to mean a kind of Manichaeism combined with “You’re with us or against us.”

    OK Thank you Tribalism seems to me to be misused in just about all cases.
    Atheism cannot be described as a tribe there are just too many conflicting points of view. So it is misused by critics as a way of dismissing one as part of a whole, so differences are easily glossed over. Differences make us. And no I dont lump all spiritual/religious people in the same box.

    Oh dear.

    Sorry you feel that way.

    Very likely, nothing that fits our brains in their current configuration will. Change the configuration however… well, in a couple of centuries,

    Shit do "we" have to wait that long? Is there a couple of centuries to spare somewhere? Can we go back and replay the past twiddle a few knobs push a couple of buttons and hey presto, there ya go 2 centuries to play around with.

    Do you mean currently unseen or unseeable?

    Will we ever see? Or is it for future generations to find out. I hope so.
    You seem keen to stick a label on me. If you want to label me something Cheerful Stoic probably not Nihilist seems more appropriate if you dont mind.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1891 posts Report

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