Posts by Alastair Thompson

  • Speaker: The CERA transition that no one…,

    And when you make a submission say that you want to be heard in person. Christchurch needs to come to Wellington.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Happy Days,

    Cheers Russell,

    Thanks for the shout out for our Crowd-Selling campaign. Following after our February March Crowd-Selling exercise Scoop's future in the news business looks likely to involve more crowd collaboration.

    Its an interesting new world of news that we are moving into.

    Al

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Hard News: Campbell Live: A Disturbance…,

    Very well said Russell.

    Remember also that the day after John Drinnan unofficially announced the original axing Tim Murphy announced his resignation too.

    And that today on the day that Campbell Live ends 186 Fairfax editorial staff have been told they have to apply for their own jobs.

    For both the media and public #NewsApocalypse is very much now a thing. I like that Te Waha Nui has posted a piece about the Listener music critic fiasco too. The fight back has begun.

    Al

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  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…, in reply to Sacha,

    . . . . . . * twiddles thumbs * . . . . .

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Any more questions?

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  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Hi Jan,

    VERY WELL SAID!

    al

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Hi Ian,

    Ah tis a small nation. yes GT and Debs are my uncle and aunt in-laws - and the Silvan of course like so much of your fair city is sadly no more!

    I shouldn't think the TPPA would have any impact on what we are proposing. What we are trying to do involves fairly standard copyright ideas interpreted in light of new technologies and circumstances.

    That said the question that you raise by referring to the global context of our legal innovation is interesting.

    News media throughout the English speaking world in particular face the same difficult disruptive conditions. In other language groups the idea of state funding of news media and subsidies for news media organisations is not so staunchly resisted.

    I therefore rather hope that Scoop's lead in asserting a new kind of copyright to its work will be followed by other news media both here and elsewhere. While it won't immediately resolve the challenges the news business faces - I think it is a logical place to start looking for solutions.

    I find it interesting that young people appear to have picked up on the idea that access to news ought to be a right. Just as they believe they should be able to share news and information without fear of copyright infringement. While it may seem contradictory for me to say this - to my mind the "invisible paywall" idea - which marries something like "Creative Commons" for the general public - with rights which are enforceable against commercial users is an elegant solution.

    As you will pick up if you take the time to read my rather extended treatise on the subject I am approaching the issues that Scoop is facing from a fairly expansive POV.

    As a bit of an old-school journalist I am very troubled to see the impacts of the decline of media not so much on my own - and Scoop's livelihood - but on the wider industry and beyond that the health of a democracy as a whole, which we news media are supposed to inform.

    I am also rather distressed to see how the mainstream news publishers are spectacularly failing to both acknowledge and deal with the challenges that they face. The opportunity for the major news publishers to save or preserve what is most valuable in the news industry is rapidly disappearing.

    Within this context Scoop sticking its hand up and saying, "look this entire enterprise is broken, lets think laterally and find new solutions," is a response which we are driven to pursue.

    Alastair

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  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Hi Rich,

    Good question and no offence taken. IANAL also and at the risk of getting out of my depth I will do my best to answer your question in lay language.

    First. Yes we have had the idea lawyered and in fact the idea originated out of the law an a paticular case, NLA vs Meltwater - from the UK Court of Appeal. We wrote about this in July 2012 when we changed our terms and conditions of use in a manner which made our claim effective (we believe).

    The Meltwater case relates to media monitoring companies and effectively extended the scope of print media copyright licensing to the digital realm.

    While a similar licensing regime is not yet in place in NZ for NZ's news websites - where businesses and organisations will have to pay PMCA [Print Media Copyright Agency - a subsidiary of the Newspaper Publishers Association] licenses for the re-use of digital content internally - my undestanding is that this will be introduced in the next 12 months. A form of digital licensing of business reuse of content is now in place in Australia.

    The Meltwater decisions - which are highly persuasive in NZ law as NZ's copyright law is very similar to the UK's - held that not only did Meltwater have to have a license to scrape and send links to its clients - but that clients had to also have an "End User License" to allow them to purchase the services of Meltwater.

    The cases place an emphasis on the wording of the terms of use which are in place on the website in question. It is worth noting that the NLA digital licensing fees are considerably higher than the old print copyright fees - which possibly reflects the revenue issues all news businesses are facing as we enter an age of digitial news.

    While simply reading a web page is not a copyright infringement in ordinary circumstances as you say - routine use of a website in circumstances which breach the terms of use of the website when you have been notified that you may be in breach - may well be. And that is what we claim.

    Certainly any other use of the content. Saving a file to your desktop - emailing a segment of a page to a client or colleague or a link - printing out a copy of an article etc. arguably is.

    Scoop has set the fee it is seeking to charge for organisational use of Scoop fairly low in order to make compliance a low barrier for organisations who on reflection consider that they do routinely use Scoop as part of their work activity .

    Another way of looking at what we are doing is to consider the counterfactual.

    If Scoop imposed a paywall and charged for access would we have a claim of copyright breach against someone who accessed Scoop by circumventing our paywall or in some other way breaching our terms of use? Unquestionably I think we would have a claim.

    Given that this is the case why must we physically place a barrier of access in place in order to have an enforceable claim?

    Alastair

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Hi Ian,

    Seriously though it is time that the issues facing the news media - in particular- how to equitably share the cost of providing news services of the quality that a modern digital democracy needs in order to function - be considered by NZ's leading institutions.

    All news media in NZ are bring disrupted by the same global industry trends. Advertising can no longer be expected to pay the costs of news production in a small news market like NZ.

    Al

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

  • Speaker: Scoop.co.nz's Operation…,

    Hi Elmer,

    It depends. ATM Auckland University doesn't seem very keen to even discuss it. What do you think we should do?

    Al

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 201 posts Report Reply

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