How did it get to the Greens?
um yeah sorry about high jacking the thread ...
Or do you side with right wing commentariat that they should get off economics and everything else that people care about and stick to their environmental knitting?
No I don't but I have noticed some in the Green community feel that way.
I am tentatively supportive of a green approach that connects more to the commercial world , Russel Norman has been making some headway there.
I don't think we can divorce sustainability from economics and as Farmer Green points out, the environment - and how we relate to it - impacts on the social world .
Its all connected, including Steve Barnes getting his pony.
Lacking understanding of how intertwined social justice is with sustainability.
Actually I think many Greens lack that full understanding .
Their policies cover a lot of the social justice/social caring area , I just wonder if they need more work to detail them into practical policy.
How would you articulate the connection between Social Justice and Sustainability?
Are there any indications that the Green Party is having a review of its electoral performance?
I have heard discussions going on among green member around the Blue/Green proposal from Gareth Morgan , getting heated in places as the pure greens debate the pragmatic greens. Discussions around the negative effect the Internet Party had on the green vote.
Interesting thing in Green circle discussions is that for many the Green Movement as a whole is considered way bigger than politics. I guess we forget that the Green party is just part of a wider movement to change perceptions.
Another topic is the Green's place in social policy , some say its not a Green thing others say social justice is deeply linked to respect for the planet .
Still others are banging on about better engagement with voters
The nub seems to be , better engage voters with current Green policy/values OR change policy - some- to take on more Blue/Green ideas and therefore attract more voters.
I think it will be interesting they have a good base to build on , kept themselves clean of leadership wrangles and the dark arts.
Just wondering in terms of context and consequence.
If the Police successfully identified Rawshark - from Hager's stuff or otherwise - tracked he/she down, arrested and charged them. How serious would the charges be? Would they get a fine, a few years inside, a public flogging ?
I mean how serious is the theft of emails compared to say, assault, burglary, drugs or murder?
Damn, that’s a shame. I’ve found what you have to say in this really useful. Let me know if you reconsider.
+1 I second that Russel
This is the most salient point. Labour really needs to clear out the oldies that are there on reputation, not form. The likes of Goff, King, Cunliffe and Mallard all need to retire.
As an oldie myself ( 62) I disagree that age is the problem , its more that those long serving MPs - like Mallard - are just stale and not open to new ideas or different ways of thinking. Maybe all MPs should be biffed after 3 terms .
Just wondering if compulsory voting would be just part of the picture.
What about online voting? It seems just crazy we don't have this and according to this group "A Massey University survey shows that young people are more likely to vote if it is made more convenient"
And what about better interdependent advice on who to vote for ? The media just seems a mess of information and opinions . Where do you go for really independent advice on which party would serve your idea of a better world?
It must be really challenging for new voters but if we made it easier to make informed choices maybe they would vote more often.
Apologies if this has already been said up thread , didn't have time to read the whole thread.
Now it’s the arse end of Avondale if you’re lucky
I work in Avondale and hey the arse end ain't a pretty sight
And why not follow the greens and maori parties with a co leader structure?
Fair enough Cunliffe has got to go, personal ambition is just not enough but will a new leader be enough? .
What part did the party president and other behind the scenes advisers play in the defeat?