Around here we were wondering what happens to the balloon-dinosaur when it bumps into the giant, invisible, Spiny Norman
I'm thinking Doug. I'm thinking Dinsdale. I'm thinking John Cleese as a 6ft 4 transvestite with an improbably high-pitched, middle-class accent and a deep, dark five o'clock shadow ?
Yeah, I seem to remember they were polling in the mid/late-teens (behind NZ First) going into the 96 election campaign.
Labour's ultimate 28%: all down to Clark's very well-received TV Election-debate performances.
So - to sum everything up - time for a leadership change.
Fresh, exciting new face, unencumbered by the (recent/distant) past, new momentum, possibly, just possibly, a game-changer.
Risk of public perceiving it as desperate, last-minute, panicky stuff (aided, no doubt, by the dear old MSM). So, a high-risk strategy. Especially if Labour's core, dyed-in-the-wool-vote turns out to in fact be lower than the 30-34% they're currently polling. But I suspect ultimately Labour have nothing to lose (and quite possibly everything to gain). Could be just the thing to revitalise the Left.
The Shock of the New.
I suspect one of the important stories to emerge over the next few days will be the extremely poor communications between the Beehive and Chch (reported about half an hour ago by Radio NZ's Jane Patterson). The Emergency Cabinet meeting was apparently relying heavily on TVNZ/TV3 coverage for their information. More than 30 minutes after RNZ reported multiple deaths (via Chch Emergency Services), journalists at the Beehive were still being briefed that Cabinet had no knowledge of any fatalities.
Mary Wilson on RNZ is Excellent. Asked some very important questions to greatly clarify things.
"Who'd have thought discussion about fake Twitter accounts could have taken such a turn ? This is why we'll never have threaded discussions".
Hardly surprising, Russell, surely ? I mean this thread goes from Twitter to Atheism/Religion; Long Will Be The Lunches (Aug 24) began with discussion on advertising revenue in the Oz Election and ended with the relative merits of Peter Cook and Dudley Moore; and Little Pieces of a Big Picture (Sept 5) began with everyone expressing genuine sympathy for the Chch earthquake victims before quickly turning - almost inevitably - to an in-depth discussion on Oral Sex.
Dawkins is undoubtedly correct when he argues that: "As a devout Catholic, he [Ratzinger] would have had dinned into him, along with the Catechism, the obnoxious idea that all Jews are to be held responsible for killing Jesus - the 'Christ-killer' libel - not repudiated until the Second Vatican Council (1962-1965). The Roman Catholic psyche of the time was still shot through with the anti-Semitism of centuries."
The annual Roman Catholic Passion Plays, in particular, appear to have generated a certain amount of anti-semitic violence - especially in Bavaria. And the Catholic Church does appear to have placed a much greater emphasis on the "Jews as Christ-killers" libel than most of the Protestant churches.
Having said that, it's also a fact that more than a few leading historic Protestant figures - including Martin Luther himself - had anti-semitic leanings. And it 's also true (despite Daniel Goldhagen's nonsense to the contrary) that Religious anti-semitism was not 'eliminationist' or 'genocidal' in the way that National Socialism was.
Historically, (and,again, this is despite Goldhagen's crude thesis to the contrary), anti-semitism in Germany appears to have varied greatly from region to region. Strong in some areas (both Catholic and Protestant), weak-to-almost non-existent in others. And it seems to be a historiographical consensus that Catholics were, in fact, less likely to vote Nazi ( in both the late 1920s and early 1930s) than Protestants. For example, in July 1933 (when the Nazis were at their electoral apex - taking about 38 percent of the vote nationally), a little less than a quarter of Roman Catholics supported them. The core Nazi vote was Rural and Small-town Middle-class and Lower Middle-class Protestant.
However, the Nazis did achieve quite significant levels of support in a range of Catholic villages and small towns, especially in the Rhineland, the Black Forest and parts of Bavaria (Ratzinger grew up in the latter). Most Catholics, though, were urban and (like much of the unionised working-class) tended to be immune to Nazi overtures.
End of history lesson !
@ Russell: "As last week's BBC Panorama programme,"What the Pope Knew", demonstrated, there is good evidence that Ratzinger left child-rapists in place (or at the very least, delayed their removal for years and kept them from the police)..."
Yep. I remember seeing a BBC documentary (almost certainly Panorama) on this not long after Ratzinger became Pope. From memory, it focussed on his role in Central America and especially Mexico, revealing how he personally intervened to ensure that a number of Paedophile priests were just quietly moved on to another parish - so to merrily continue their long record of abuse.
Blimey !, there's some shocking mug-shots on that Libertarianz site.
One or two axe-murderers and cat-stranglers by the looks of it.
The most bizarre thing to come from the Quake so far.
Thanks, George. Extraordinary website.
Mind you, I loved the "Possible Connections of Significance" between a "Chimp with Down-Syndrome" and John Campbell. Have to admit, the photos of the two were pretty similar.
Derek and Clive
Absolutely !, thanks 3410. In fact probably Derek and Clive Live.
"Get out the Cab !, get out of the bleedin Cab !".
"I'm not going to change your sheets again, Mr Hastings".
The Dagenham Dialogues
by Peter Cook & Dudley Moore
Ooooweeee ! That sounds very much like the title I've been trying to remember for years and years. Wayyyyy back in the early 80s, when in't 7th Form, I had a 'free period' (as we called it in those days, no double entendre intended), and I spent a brilliant hour in the school library reading the collected Pete n Dud scripts (from either Not Only But Also or Do Not Adjust Your Set).
Only a year earlier, an English guy turned up in the 6th form (his family had emigrated from UK) with what was then a banned audio tape of Cook and Moore doing some hilarious improvised stuff whilst pissed out of their heads in the early/mid 70s. Can't quite remember the title, but still remember most of the dialogue. I was never able to think of the Queen Mother in quite the same way again.
Oh and thanks for the clip Recordari.