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The result? No matter what the pairing - whether male/female or female/female - the subjects had similar reactions to both, and according to Bailey this proves that women will respond to anything, regardless of their sexual orientation.
The same could not be said of straight or gay men, however - last year Bailey and Chivers initiated a similar study in Chicago for men, and discovered that straight men were aroused by watching straight sex, and gay men were aroused by gay sex, and ne'er the twain did meet.
I think I saw this research showcased in a documentary more recently. It seemed quite persuasive. And interesting.
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straight men were aroused by watching straight sex
Of course, for the male hetero brain 'straight sex' includes 'two or more hot women pretending to be lesbians' ...
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daleaway wrote:
To pick up on the Georgina Beyer question, are we all playing let's pretend? Does anyone think female-to-male transexuals are really men? Or are they surgically altered females with bodies full of chemicals? Which is not to say, of course, that they are not damned fine individuals deserving of love and respect, but biologically....
Yes, absolutely there are those of us who think of transgenger people as whichever sex they identify themselves. I agree that we can accept both transgender people who have had surgery and intersex people who decline classification and gender-assignment surgery as fully developed human beings enitled to the same rights as all of us.
There are a myriad of chromosomal and hormonal differences that can occur that render somewhere between 1 or 2 in 1000 (or was it 1 or 2 in 10,000? I can't remember) people are born as intersex and unclassifiable as to their sex. It is not one single indentifiable condition, but several differing conditions, and it can be very difficult for doctors to diagnose.
And life is pretty hard for intersex and transgender people, I have worked with many of them (in the area of AIDS/HIV outreach education) and I have to say they have almost invariably had extremely difficult lives.
There is much controversy as to whether intersex people should be allowed to choose gender-assignment surgery in childhood. Some desperately want it barely out of toddlerhood, others wish not to be classified at all. And there are the hormonal effects to consider - any surgical intervention or hormone therapy is certainly going to work better if it is done before puberty. There was an excellent article written about this in the New Yorker a few years back.
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Here's a blog I wrote last year on gay pr0n and women. The first comment is from a good friend of mine who writes literal tonnes of slash. Part of the comment goes like this:
mainstream porn has never been about the connection between the individuals within the piece it's about the connection between the the actors and the voyeur. They're performing for someone. With some gay porn it's about the act itself, it's about the connection between two people, and the voyeur isn't acknowledged.
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Michael Fitzgerald wrote:
You have acknowledge the slogan "All men are Rapists" is wrong,(still held onto by Deborah) but then excuse it . The excesses of these campaigns have led to murder (Gaye Oaks) & false convictions due to recovered memory etc.
Michael, how can you possibly mistake a murder of this kind as a product of feminism?? I will agree that it was situations of exactly this kind that led to both the Temperance and the Suffrage campaigns (they were inextricably linked in this country, if you care to read your history) and the situation of desperate women killing abusive husbands is as old as the hills.
You should read Katherine Mansfield's chilling little story of rural New Zealand The Woman at the Store if you want to see a glimpse of a very similar case from more than 100 years ago.
These guys are riding out to some remote place to visit some woman whose beauty just has to be seen - only to arrive and find a raddled old had with "her front teeth knocked out" who is behaving weirdly ("can you imagine bothering with the ironing out here? Obvioiusly she's mad.") and whose child is also a little creepy.
Eventually the woman's little girl draws the men a picture ("the one you said I must never draw, Mumma") and Mansfield is careful to include the shared nature of brutality, when she describes the woman savagely belting the child to shut her up as she reveals too much. Eventually it becomes clear to the men that the woman shot her husband and buried him in the garden.
This story was never nearly as popular as the her more cheerful ones, and I have to say as illuminating as I found The Woman at the Store I'd much prefer to visit the New Zealand Katherine Mansfield portrayed in Prelude and At the Bay.
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Of course, for the male hetero brain 'straight sex' includes 'two or more hot women pretending to be lesbians' ...
Oh great IO, now you're saying that if they're hot then they must be pretending to be lesbians? And I thought we'd come so far... ;)
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Here's a blog I wrote last year on gay pr0n and women. The first comment is from a good friend of mine who writes literal tonnes of slash. Part of the comment goes like this:
Cool. Genuine insight. Things I'd never thought about before, from people with different brains than mine.
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Of course, for the male hetero brain 'straight sex' includes 'two or more hot women pretending to be lesbians' ...
Oh great IO, now you're saying that if they're hot then they must be pretending to be lesbians? And I thought we'd come so far... ;)
Touche!
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I would contribute more on this thread but Google + jobseeking......
although my typos alone have probably damned me already. -
Google? That's such an unusual moniker that I assumed it was a pseudonym. No one could be _born_ with a name that cool.
I guess having an unusual name ruins your online plausible deniability.
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they must be pretending to be lesbians?
as a rule of thumb, you can determine real lesbian porn by the length of the fingernails ...
but I'm not trying to buy a fight, nor speak for anyone ...
and there's in an interesting quote in that link to Students React to Watching Pornography in the Classroom (one page back) that reveals just how dumb-ass men who watch porn are:
Donna would later tell the class that the ejaculation was an illusion of sorts and that the fluid sprayed all over her chest was actually urine.
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I always heard they used pina colada mix! Another illusion shattered.
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I always heard they used pina colada mix! Another illusion shattered.
No, I had to go back and check myself: that's female ejaculation, aka squirting, she was referring to.
It appears that the industry has pulled a con on its punters there.
But, true fact: The Chief Censor once expressed to me his frustration that his people had to spend so much time trying to tell female ejaculation (legal) from urination (not permitted) in a certain kind of porn films.
Wow. This thread really is going to get me all the wrong kind of Google links ...
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Cool. Genuine insight. Things I'd never thought about before, from people with different brains than mine.
Well, I had to give something back for the half hour I spent at the MsNaughty blog this afternoon going, "Yes, goddammit, that's what I was trying to say".
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Felix:
Damien you are sooo going to get lynched (again?) the next time you show up at 3.2
Yeah, but tell me it's not true. Tell me you can't name at least three right now who fit into that category... If you can't, I'll agree, pack my bags and leave Wellington immediately.
Actually, if you can't name 3,145 such political reporters immediately, same thing goes... ;)
Damien
I stand corrected but I vaguely recall you espousing that Wellington relationship theory at the National Party mid-winter do. How was it received ? My memory was that it was somewhat controversial to some.As for naming three - well you know the gallery is a bastion of the abstemious lifestyle :-)
The 1980's, now that's a different story. or so I've been told.
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As for naming three - well you know the gallery is a bastion of the abstemious lifestyle :-)
Heh - well, I know one pretty well, and you are absolutely right Felix, the words 'abstemious' and 'bastion' positively flew into mind :)
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No, I had to go back and check myself: that's female ejaculation, aka squirting, she was referring to.
*Finally* this thread is getting on the right track. :)
And what an amazing rollercoaster ride it's been. I start off talking about strippers, we have a huge foray into the state of modern feminism and other such topics, then end up with Russell talking about squirting.
Actually, it sounds like so many of my Friday nights out...
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And Felix, really don't want to pick nits, but if you're going to comment on my blog, you could at least spell my name right :)
(If someone googles my name, I'd hate for it not to be linked to a conversation about Gallery excess and female ejaculation)
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Opps, my bad.
Call it an Omen overtone moment.
Now you can have Satanistic connections for your Google hits as well.
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In the spirit of recent comments, I would like to say that I am consoling myself in my husband's absence with a spot of shopping.
(I wouldn't open that link at work if I were you.)
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(I wouldn't open that link at work if I were you.)
Is it just just me, or is my browser doing something weird with the colour? That top-right graphic looks awfully like a heaving mass of excrement on the bed.
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Attagirl, Deborah. They're lovely women at DVice. They have this great shop in Ponsonby Rd, and they're always at the Big Gay Out. Very helpful with advice.
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The result? No matter what the pairing - whether male/female or female/female - the subjects had similar reactions to both, and according to Bailey this proves that women will respond to anything, regardless of their sexual orientation.
This study from McGill University may put Bailey's research in a different light.
url/link textThe Seattle Times: Health: Women may respond to porn, but not in a ...
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Ah, let me try that again:
The Seattle Times: Health: Women may respond to porn, but not in a ...
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Carnal Looking at porn through a gender gap
and failing either of those links, just google Irv Blinik (McGill) and Stephen Pinker (Harvard) as they have quite a lot to say on the differences in responses to pornography between men and women, and possible reasons for these differences.
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This is the link to the article Dyan was referring to.
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