Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: And so it begins

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  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    ERO media release about it, also via John.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Allan Moyle,

    email from ERO saying that schools decile rankings will no longer appear on ERO reviews.

    It is also on ERO website. I'd suggest that the Ministry has requested this as a start of the process of reducing the public's ability to match decile rating with upcoming league table data and the likely strong correlation that a lower decile rating will have with lower levels 'standards' attainment.
    Given that there will likely be 18-24 months of ERO reviews completed with no decile info in them before Govt produced NS data is publicly produced, such a disconnect plays nicely into the future goals re NS, relegating the socioeconomic impact debate on children education outcomes, provide a basis for changes in school funding models and a bigger stick to continue to break over the teachers unions in terms getting performance pay in place.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 103 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Withers, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I understand there can be measures. One might even be tempted to use these measures in comparing things. But if the 'resolution' of the measures themselves is too low, then the value of the measure is undermined. Having been the beneficiary - simultaneously - of good tuition and bad tuition at the same schools, year on year, I personally would not find any resolution limited to the level of an entire school as anything but the most gross of metrics. It would tend to obscure the good and the bad in some kind of average....rendering it less meaningful than if done teacher by teacher. I also don't assume teachers perform consistently year on year. The get ill. They divorce. Their children are ill...or die. They cease enjoying their work...or they love it more than ever. So many variables....time being chief among them. The sort of measures the government is talking about can be of very little value even in the current year....never mind forward or backward in time.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 312 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Evidence schmevidence. Bring on the Bible based "Charter Schools" and let Truthiness reign.

    I was presented with some remarkable ideas: the earliest fossil assemblages look no different from modern organisms; there was ample room on Noah’s Ark because all species present today are descended from about 8,000 “kinds” that were initially created; radiometric dating of materials has been proven not to work; rocks cannot fold (bend under pressure)—only soft sediment can; the Grand Canyon, far from clearly placing the unfathomable depth of geologic time on display, is actually definitive evidence for Noah’s flood..

    A good read actually, mostly to remind us of the power of ignorance.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Steve Withers,

    But if the ‘resolution’ of the measures themselves is too low, then the value of the measure is undermined.

    Fair point. And definitely important to individual parents, although I'd hardly want to force teachers to publish the status of their relationship.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4451 posts Report Reply

  • John Holley,

    If anyone wants, I have put up the MoE Provisional Leavers attainment stats (Decile/School type/Ethnicity) for 2011. E&OE!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 142 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    mostly to remind us of the power of ignorance.

    And then, as if by magic...
    Banks: I believe Bible's account of how life began

    "That's what I believe, but I'm not going to impose my beliefs on other people, especially in this post-Christian society that we live in, especially in these lamentable times.''

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Mike Bowler, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Sorry for ther late response but re:
    John Hartevelt went to school a million years ago
    Let's try 10 minutes ago. Really - a fresh face in every sense of the word.

    New Plymouth • Since Apr 2007 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2091 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    Anybody linked to this data from the Education Counts website yet? Ethnicity and achievement etc data by school. http://www.educationcounts.govt.nz/find-a-school/school/population?school=478

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3203 posts Report Reply

  • Allan Moyle, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    re Education Counts - is the same platform that Primary School National Standards data will come to in future ?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 103 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace, in reply to Allan Moyle,

    It looks like it is set up to provide such data. But who knows?

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3203 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Allan Moyle,

    re Education Counts – is the same platform that Primary School National Standards data will come to in future ?

    If I heard the news reports right, yes.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

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