Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Crashing the party before it starts

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  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Paul Williams,

    And certainly I agree with Bradbury’s entirely reasonable point that Gen Ys Nats will be put off by the prospect of Colin Craig’s influence.

    Wouldn't be at all surprised if the CCCP dusts off the infamous Trevor Rogers bill.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5397 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The guy has 15,000 young people turning up to his album launch party on Monday.

    Will those 15,000 young people vote at all? If Kim had 15,000 old people turning up, that would signal large-scale change.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams, in reply to Hebe,

    infamous Trevor Rogers bill

    Ok, I strained my memory but came up blank...

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2273 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Which Trevor, which Bill and when did they roger?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    Had to laugh at Bomber's claim that this will be a worry for the National Party
    The Internet Party will attract people( young men) who want to stick it to the "man"
    Not normally people who vote National or even vote.
    I can see a chance this will bleed votes from the Greens

    I think you have summed it up well Russell and did well in not falling into the trap Bomber has.
    Not many peopled have supped with Dot Com and got away with it

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 575 posts Report Reply

  • alobar, in reply to Russell Brown,

    the Party Party on monday is cancelled . Confession : read it on WO first ( well it is good for a laugh )

    auckland • Since Apr 2010 • 63 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to alobar,

    This is the message that people who'd registered to go received:

    FROM KIM DOTCOM:

    I apologize, my friends. Sadly we must cancel my birthday party after we received advice that the event could risk breaching electoral laws.

    Because the tickets were free, we were advised that the purpose of the event could be misunderstood.

    I would like to thank the 25,000 people who registered for my birthday party. You are all amazing!

    I was looking forward to an awesome event with great live music and other surprises – but the future of New Zealand is more important to me than one night of fun.

    I hope you agree. So we are moving forward with the Internet Party!!

    It was pretty inept to have not sorted this out in advance.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22584 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Hebe,

    Will those 15,000 young people vote at all? If Kim had 15,000 old people turning up, that would signal large-scale change.

    Part of the aim is to attract the people who don't usually vote. I think that makes more sense than trying to win over National voters.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22584 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Which Trevor, which Bill and when did they roger?

    This one.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5397 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    art of the aim is to attract the people who don’t usually vote. I think that makes more sense than trying to win over National voters.

    Indeed. I’ve always thought it’s better for Labour & the Greens to get out the non-vote - difficult as it is - instead of pandering to ‘Waitakere Man’ with no guarantee of electoral dividends. This approach might have worked once for New Labour in Britain, but it’s long since run its course. The long-term effect is that it seems to have replicated the Repblicrat syndrome in America.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5397 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    If the Party Party is "treating", where does that leave the Picnic for the Planet organised by the Green Party soon? Or the equivalent National party events, where they listen to Frank Sinatra and the like (I surmise)?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Scott Nickerson, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    I guess the worry for National is this election could see a whole lot of people who don't normally vote turning out on election day. High turnout will likely lower their percentage of the overall party vote making it more difficult to secure any sort of parliamentary majority.

    Tewaipounamu • Since Jan 2014 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Scott Nickerson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It was pretty inept to have not sorted this out in advance.

    You might also say it was pretty inept to have the plans for your nascent political party leaked to a right-wing tabloid blogger with links to the governing party. Unless, of course, you were trying to manipulate the news cycle.

    Tewaipounamu • Since Jan 2014 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Part of the aim is to attract the people who don’t usually vote. I think that makes more sense than trying to win over National voters.

    The youth vote is always the holy grail. Rarely sighted though. Look to local music to see if the Green Day/Dixie Chicks effect is coming through.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • Tinakori,

    The internet party and the ACT party seem to have incompetence in common, Although the ACT party was successful initially over time and devolved to incompetence, the internet party seems to have begun at that point. Will the next step be an attempted takeover by Don Brash?

    Wellington • Since Jul 2013 • 118 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tinakori,

    We'll know after Steven Joyce's furtive meeting with them.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19543 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    ‘Waitakere Man’

    There's more to political survival than just Auckland and Wellington.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2893 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    better for Labour & the Greens to get out the non-vote - difficult as it is - instead of pandering to ‘Waitakere Man’

    Given the scale of that group last time, you'd think.

    Problem is that Trotter, Pagani et al think voters stayed home cos they're redneck plumbers waiting for Labour to address their interests.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19543 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Hebe,

    Waitakere Man is a metaphor - just like Joe the Plumber, only wankier.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19543 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    WAY TO KILL THE PARTY EDGELER. ;)

    Rich's point is interesting though - aren't there fundraisery party things from, erm, parties quite regularly? Is it a question of focus/intent/marketing what?

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler, in reply to Gareth Ward,

    WAY TO KILL THE PARTY EDGELER. ;)

    Well, I've not long finished the second of two media interviews about the party party, so it will be pretty obvious that Kim Dotcom has someone who is not me as his lawyer. I have heard through the media that it is Chen Palmer.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 3198 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Gareth Ward,

    aren’t there fundraisery party things from, erm, parties quite regularly?

    A different issue, surely. I'd've thought the point of a fundraisery party would be to raise funds for the party, whereas treating is about giving things to voters in exchange for their vote.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    The treating law dates back to before they had (in England) a secret ballot, when a politician could buy voters and expect them to stay bought. Arguably a secret ballot prevents this.

    Although with the current ridiculous enthusiasm for internet voting, vote-buying could make a comeback - it's as easy as sending a screenshot in and receiving dollars.

    A good reason to keep/extend ballot box voting.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Gareth Ward,

    Sure Chris, but even the non-fundraising ones (like the Greens picnic)? Trying to understand what triggers the warning for "treating"

    Auckland, NZ • Since Mar 2007 • 1727 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sacha,

    Waitakere Man is a metaphor – just like Joe the Plumber, only wankier.

    Yeees. And whether plumbers or not, men or not, a good many of the voting variety do not live in Auckland, or Wellington, and have different voting triggers. What I am saying is that Auckland is not the key to this election; other cities and regions are volatile and could well deliver upsets..

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2893 posts Report Reply

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