Hard News: How long the leash on the Fourth Estate?
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
bottomline, the media, up and down the country was operating under a police search warrant, days out from an election
we deserve better
And contrast the Granny's hardline "Democracy under attack" headline during the EFA blow-up, with its paper-tiger response to the Tea Tapes affair.
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ahh
can we talk media - whats media, blogs, newspapers, tv, whats media in 2011?
is twitter media, is any old missive mediaregardless of the answer, (and i have a lot to say on that question lol) this was all during an election, and suspect as ...
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can i post this up, it was during this ...
you know the really funny thing about this is , neither of the hobbits, the fat mental looking one, or the fat stupid looking one, slater and farrer, chose to mention the pm dishonestly defaming a large overseas rating agency, and misleading parliament - not one mention, pains me to say i visited these sites to check, and man, dont i feel used and abused by the experience ...
now this raises some interesting questions, ala the rnz banning of bradbury - the potential collusion with those who proport to hold power and lead us, and these two particular 'blogers' along with other available 'media'
many times the 'inference' -(apt considering the circumstances with satin john) of information, or more correctly outright propaganda being manufactured, processed and distributed via these two entities, with potentially cooperation and support from the ninth floor of our government seems to be exampled in this curious piece of omission, imho
so whats media- - farrer, or slater, come on man ...
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Forum for, um, the masses...
And I think what it showed up was the gap in what you might call constitutional awareness between Palmer on one hand and Joyce and Key on the other. Palmer would simply never have done what Joyce and Key did, while they regarded themselves as entitled to do what they did.
Indeed, it highlights the craven calibre of some of our elected officials, their complete lack of humility or any sense of civic service or duty - the rise of this culture of entitlement - garnished with overweening ego, personal greed and a need to over-control things - has been the hallmark of modern politics, little wonder that the Fourth Estate should 'mirror' this behaviour, and compromises its own integrity with 'deals' and partisan favours, now the Fifth Estate (the blogosphere and digital commentariat) is starting to become weakened by anonymous rabid responses and ideas lost in gutter language...
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As a TV spruiker was saying last week about a Brighter Future- Only if you choose it.
The Stuff website today:
Why I should be Labours leader or Hitlers bed linen sold-video -
Finally, I’ll see your Sienna Miller and raise you one Brad Guildford
Brad must be his drunken name.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
little wonder that the Fourth Estate should ‘mirror’ this behaviour, and compromises its own integrity with ‘deals’ and partisan favours
Fourth Estate mutated into Fifth Column, much?
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Nailed it...
Brad must be his drunken name
Zac'ly!
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
Brad must be his drunken name.
And here’s something else the lamestream media seem rather disinclined to do.
I got that wrong. Zac Guildford not ‘Brad’.
Apologies for the utterly unforgivable fact check fail.
(And that was done without the threat of legal action or a BSA ruling. Only as hard as you choose to make it, folks.)
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so Craig, whats media, if there's a 'lamestream' what are we left with
is that hard enough?
and dont come back with palin ...
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I blame the French Revolution. The 1% went to the guillotine and all we got in return was Liberté! Egalité! Vulgaritay!
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Palmer would simply never have done what Joyce and Key did, while they regarded themselves as entitled to do what they did.
I wouldn’t go and get to dewy eyed over Palmer. He was riding point for the bunch of traitorous bastards whose actions directly led to the New Zealand culture we have today, a place where the notion of the dignity of the office of the prime minister and the democratic greater good have been replaced by a man who appears on the Letterman show as a joke on us all and gets away with whining to the police because he sees himself rather than freedom of the press as the most important thing the world. If Palmer thought constitutional awareness was important, then maybe he ought to have not betrayed his entire party and the New Zealand people when he was in charge of it.
I would say the primary lesson that should be drawn from these inquiries is Murdoch, and the Murdoch business model, is unfit to be allowed to own a hand-cranked Gestetner machine let alone own/run a media empire. You can pass anti-freedom and anti-liberty laws restricting what can and can’t be reported on but that just punishes all of us in a free and open society for the sins of a single megalomaniacal Octagenarian.
The fourth estate isn’t like supermarkets chains or tyres franchises or real estate agents because it is meant to perform an important democratic function. It has another, non-profit role that the Murdoch press simple doesn’t want to know about, except when pushing the partisan political agendas of their owner.
The lesson to be learnt is that to have a free media the media must first be free. Media ownership is the key to this to my mind. Strong media ownership laws aimed at preventing monopolies and fostering a strong and critical media is way better than banning the media from reporting on this or that.
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merc,
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Rich Lock, in reply to
An estimated 2 million people are on strike in the UK. That's roughly one in thirty of the population.
C'mon Jezza, you're aiming far too low! Decimation, old chap, that's the only language they understand! Include their families!
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
great thinkers of our time...
C’mon Jezza, you’re aiming far too low!
Jeremy your tumbril is at the front door...
Clarkson is a waste of carbon isn't he?
...is there such a thing as praticide ?**nah, better withdraw that,
it makes me as bad as him,
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
...is there such a thing as praticide ?
Putting a cap in yo' ass?
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merc,
For me (Clarkson rant) highlights the commentator, celebrity, journalist, broadcaster, publisher, subcontractor (heh), Government, relationship. They all feed off each other, they all need each other to survive.
For me it's like surfers complaining about crowds. If you are in the water surfing, you are the crowd. -
Rich Lock, in reply to
Clarkson is a waste of carbon isn't he?
He's a great example of a one-trick pony whose one trick was mildly amusing for a very short while, but went stale a decade or two ago. Now he's desperately trying to keep it relevant by making it more and more extreme, flipping mild amusement over into mild irritation and slight surprise that people still pay attention to the silly child.
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Rich Lock, in reply to
For me it's like surfers complaining about crowds. If you are in the water surfing, you are the crowd.
And if you're buying the papers and watching the TV, then don't complain about the content?
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merc, in reply to
Complain away.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
Decimation or hang ten...
If you are in the water surfing,
you are the crowd.True enough,
but what if you are
on the crowd,
crowd surfing?
Then you are
the horde board...or in Clarkson's case
the whored bawd... -
merc, in reply to
Heh, don't talk to me about the use of the term "surfing" for interdooder watchin' or crowd flight gropin' ;-)
I like the saying, if you're not paying for it, you are the product.
Oh and some blame the leash (on topic!) for the increase in surfer numbers, http://www.surfline.com/surfing-a-to-z/surf-leashes-history_921/ -
‘… if you're not paying for it, you are the product …’
now that almost sums it all up …
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"Complaining about Clarkson expressing an offensive view is like complaining that the wheels just fell off your clown taxi" - Tweet from Ben Goldacre
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I hope the BBC don't sack Jeremy Clarkson. Imagine how much he'd go on about it. It'd be like hurling wanker fuel into a prick engine.
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Don't think they should sack Clarkson btw. They should make him ride around on a little trike with his nuts hanging out of his shorts though
Gold.
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