Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Not good enough, Eden Park

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  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Angus Robertson,

    I am not of the habit of paying attention to anything the crowd yells, ever. I know from experience that I cannot see what is happening more than one row in front of me. This could have happened within 3 m of me and I reckon I wouldn’t have had a clue.

    Ummm... so you've never been a teacher or exam supervisor or cop on the beat or UN peacekeeper? Two of those jobs I do and two I never have done, but experience tells me it's amazing what you see and hear when your eyes and ears are open and you have the tiny amount of experience necessary to see the signs.

    And what Jackie said.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    a teacher or exam supervisor or cop on the beat or UN peacekeeper?

    Or a journalist. Or plain aware of more than your own self ? This one is wider than Eden Park: it's about a selfish malaise of self-obsession in our society, and the sometimes lifetime consequences of that self-justification for the individual people affected.


    And all of what Jackie said. And Chris.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Two of those jobs I do and two I never have done, but experience tells me it’s amazing what you see and hear when your eyes and ears are open and you have the tiny amount of experience necessary to see the signs.

    Also, if you're not looking for something, then you have an excellent chance of not seeing it. Therefore it actually matters what you're told to look for.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10629 posts Report Reply

  • Ben McNicoll,

    Slightly, but maybe not really, off-topic: watching the (FTA) buildup to French test, and the (female, not that it matters maybe) presenter tells a *funny* story about how the guy she was interviewing liked to wind people up, and he was throwing bread at a lunch until his captain took a fork and drove it through his hand, pinning it to the table.

    "That's one crazy Frenchman," she said with a smile.

    Cause, you know, that's just rugby players... they're funny like that.

    Grey Lynn • Since May 2007 • 115 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Angus Robertson,

    My interpretation:
    ...But then she said – informatively – they couldn’t see harassment unless “everybody else around” was offended by it.

    She never said anything that can reasonably be interpreted that way. She said that "unless everyone else around Ms Spyksma was offended by the men’s slurs, they would likely not have been kicked out." (quoting the Herald's reporting not the Eden Park spokeswomen). The only interpretation I can imagine for that statement is that regardless of whether the incident was seen by security or not, they would not take action unless other bystanders were also offended.

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Chamberlain, in reply to JoJo,

    Brilliant, well done. I remember seeing homophobic signs at Westpac (Black Caps v Australia, "Ponting bums Hayden" or something similarly witty) and nothing done about it. I should have said something, albeit it was on the other side of the ground from me...

    London • Since Aug 2007 • 33 posts Report Reply

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