Hard News: So far from trivial
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then I'd hate to see your reaction if I actually *do* insult you.
my skin = thick, I think I might also have masochistic tendencies, plus a general lack of respect for authority figures, it can only end in tears for me I'm sure.
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We'll all be feeling a lot better after this.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10521318
I'm sure you're all rushing out to get the full version in the HoS as well.
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I love the photo that accompanies that article. It looks very carefully styled, like it should be an album cover. Notorious T.O.N.Y?
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Thanks for the link, maybe, Yamis.
Gosh, it's all about Tony, isn't it. I see sticky PR fingers all over it.
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he would consider being part of an anti domestic violence campaign.
"I would do it in a flash, and I know people will say 'Well of course he would', but I would also like people to know that one thing I do know is how this can happen and how suddenly things can spiral and you can do things you've never thought possible.
"One thing I hope out of all of this, I hope that New Zealand gets the message."
the how suddenly things can spiral out of control will ring true for many, and those that it has no meaning for will be lucky if they get through their lives without seeing it happen around them.
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Unfortunately there is a very strong chance that we will only get one side of the story here which you can already see pretty big holes in but there's no concrete to fill them in with.
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the how suddenly things can spiral out of control will ring true for many,
But losing control is no excuse. Ever. That's what makes me feel ill about the press conference and this story in the Herald - I still can't see any sign of him saying I did something badly wrong, without adding an excuse.
How about Tony Veitch getting the message. Did you notice that nice little sidestep where suddenly it's New Zealand's fault? When is he going to understand that it is his fault?
As someone said up-thread, there is just too much "everything before but is bullshit" going on.
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I love the photo that accompanies that article. It looks very carefully styled, like it should be an album cover. Notorious T.O.N.Y?
<media cynic mode on>
do you think he capture the right amount of sorry. I mean tears and crying might have been too much and a shit eating I got away with it grin perhaps the wrong vibe for the piece, sports casual wear contemplative look at the ground 'really thinking about what he's done', I don't feel manipulated in the slightest. the perfect balance.<media cynic mode...idle> -
Feel sorry for me. I'm happy for her, why can't you all be happy for her. I waited for a long time for the other shoe to drop. As Danielle so eloquenty says from time to time: Meh.
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But losing control is no excuse.
I guess that's in the reading cos I wasn't reading it as an excuse, I was reading it as an observation, an admission.
Humans think they are pillars of control but the line between sane and insane (even if momentarily) is small, and fragile.
and we think this even though we are surrounded with examples of our faults, which we could learn from but we choose to marginalise these people and say that's them not us, I'd never be in a situation like that, but that's probably what veitch told himself before he did it. it not an excuse or free pass from guilt, its just something we should more freely acknowledge in ourselves in order to deal with it better. -
That photo was a bit too much wasn't it. Was he trying to look life a school boy?
Can I suggest he holds a puppy next time. -
What's happening here?
If you hire muscle you've got to let them do the job, not take out you're frustrations on a young lady.
If they were fighting on the dance floor and he was removing her from the pub, you've gotta ask would he have done that if it was one of the English Players?
No is the simple answer there (they would crush him).So it is not a simple removal of a drunk patron, it is a bloke taking out his frustrations on a chick.
Part of the art of bouncing is first to talk them to the door (I have seen a guy dance a drunk out), then comes co-ordinated support from the crew to physically remove some one. Always two on one and where possible a female to assist or witness as chicks get dirty real quick. In a large bar I once worked where removing drunks was common, I would have removed about 5 women in 3 yrs, but they tend to kick up quite a fuss & everyone in the ind. knows this so, it's kid gloves and a team effort.
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Can I suggest he holds a puppy next time.
I think the photo editors at the paper can shoulder some of the blame for this manipulation.
if I get into a shocking situation that needs pr and media management I'm going to hire you though. puppies work for me, or a kitten. -
I thought it was a fashion shoot at first and then wondered if he was checking how he'd look against a prison wall.
Other related Sunday Herald stories (and I recommend reading the first two in full):
Editorial: Veitch's 'sorry' has hollow ring of regret that he was found out
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10521219...the victim of the assault is conspicuous by her absence. Indeed, she is rendered entirely invisible. Veitch might as well have admitted that he "lashed out" and struck a wall - an act of intimidating violence in itself. The careful framing of his mea culpa cannot escape the accusation of being mealy-mouthed because it seeks to gloss over - indeed, comes close to ignoring - the impact of his actions on anyone other than himself.
Like it or not, Veitch's position imposes on him a particular kind of noblesse oblige: he trades on a public image of a lovable scamp and he is held in high regard by young, sports-mad men who figure disproportionately in violence statistics.
Bill Ralston: TVNZ on a hiding to nothing
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10521239&pnum=0A hosed-off One News reporter covering the story appeared in a "live cross" in the 6pm bulletin, denouncing Flannery for failing to respond to her questions and dismissing Rick Ellis' short press statement on the affair as "bland". In a wonderfully timed act of rebellion the newsroom then served its TVNZ masters with an Official Information Act request for details of the company's involvement in the matter and comment from Flannery and Ellis.
TVNZ admits senior bosses knew of Veitch assault last year
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10521284&pnum=0 -
And thanks, Ian.
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What a nightmare. Wrong if you front up. Wrong if you do. Wrong if you have a cheerful photo. Wrong if have a sombre one. Wrong if you express admiration for the victim. Wrong if you don't etc etc. What ever you say or do is wrong after the event.
I wonder if all can say they have never ever lost it. If so lucky you. If not, then it only becomes a matter of degree. -
In lieu of a longer post I just wrote in response to your latest apology for domestic violence, Ian - bollocks.
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Wrong if you beat the crap out of someone...
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What a nightmare. Wrong if you front up. Wrong if you do. Wrong if you have a cheerful photo. Wrong if have a sombre one. Wrong if you express admiration for the victim. Wrong if you don't etc etc. What ever you say or do is wrong after the event.
Wrong: Calling a press conference and blandly euphemising putting someone in a wheelchair for four months (and I've seen nobody claim that's untrue) as "lashing out". Sorry, I'm just not buying the attempts to spin Veitch as some kind of victim here, no matter how seriously unimpressed I've been with the media over this.
Meanwhile, I held my nose and brought the Herald on Sunday. I'm going to say that I'd like to know whether Homes swallowed or spat out the load he took after the blow-job he put into print this morning. And if he had ANY role in that presser on Wednesday, APN has some very serious question to ask about whether they have any conflict of interest standards whatsoever.
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I get your point Ian, but at the end of the day Tony Veitch is STILL fucking this up because he has fucked it up for 2 and a half years and his latest efforts appear a continuation of this theme.
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Jackie : Bollocks to you too. There is nothing apologetic to violence there! It makes we wonder however about your attitude. If I pointed out that Kristen demanded $150, 21 months after the event, I bet you would turn that into some sort of apology for violence! I repeat that I am fervently against violence, but people including you are frail.
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Wrong: Calling a press conference and blandly euphemising putting someone in a wheelchair for four months (and I've seen nobody claim that's untrue) as "lashing out". Sorry, I'm just not buying the attempts to spin Veitch as some kind of victim here, no matter how seriously unimpressed I've been with the media over this.
CRAIG:What the FUUUUUCK!!! You are a fucking arrogant bastard. How dare you have a different opinion to me! ARSEHOLE!! Fuckwit. Piss OFF!!!
(Craig: I was trying to reach the bar that you set. How well did I do???)
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CRAIG:What the FUUUUUCK!!! You are a fucking arrogant bastard. How dare you have a different opinion to me! ARSEHOLE!! Fuckwit. Piss OFF!!!
(Craig: I was trying to reach the bar that you set. How well did I do???)
Well, you gave me the impression that you've never read anything Craig's written.
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Yes, not nearly enough anatomical references, for one.
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I like the word so I'll say it again, Ian. Bollocks.
I repeat that I am fervently against violence, but people including you are frail.
Bollocks. You believe what you like about people you have never met if it makes you feel better.
quote>(Craig: I was trying to reach the bar that you set. How well did I do???)<</quote> Craig actually sets a scarily high bar for intelligent and informed, not to mention passionate, discourse, so what you just said was complete and utter, how shall I put this? Ah yes, bollocks.
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