Hard News: Some Lines for Labour
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bmk, in reply to
What I find interesting is that people are told to smile showing teeth. I never do this as it feels weird to me and find toothy smiles (unless on children) look fake. What is interesting about this is I remember reading somewhere that in the primate world showing teeth is seen as a threat and so human grins are taken as threating by other primates.
Considering people are primates why don't we in general find grins threatening? I kind of do - I don't like people grinning at me showing their teeth. I think genuine smiles generally don't show teeth. But I could well be mistaken and this is just a particular quirk unique to me. Does anyone else find this? -
Steve Barnes, in reply to
I know someone who keeps magnets down her undies to
Attract men with Balls of Steel?
Could this be Labours door knocking campaign? -
Islander, in reply to
You're not wrong - among most primates, baring your teeth is a threat*. Chimps have a invitation-smile(invariably accompanied by a gesture and used mainly by mothers to offspring), and when they pant-laugh, also show their teeth - but dont bare them (i.e dont draw their lips back.) Bonobos have lovely smiles - but dont expose their teeth.
I also find the exposed-teeth smile alarming - & artifical. It's fine when kids do it - charming indeed - but otherwise...*It is also a threat among a lot of other mammals. Think dogs: their relaxed 'grin' is a very different thing from a snarl-face. "This is my armoury - wanna mess with it?"
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bmk, in reply to
Thanks. Glad to know that I am not alone and that is a valid reason for feeling so.
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Was it Jan who used to drink about 2 litres of coca cola a day? The dodgy past of a green candidate!
She was. She was women’s rights officer for NZUSA, the first. She is exceptional and I learned a lot from working with her. She went on to senior roles in the YWMC.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
Yep, like Islander, I check eyes first, I think they say a lot. Big teeth suggest practiced which suggest to me not genuine. When I see the big teeth, I start analysing the possibility of teeth cap, face lift or botox injections around the mouth. Square lumps on the forehead is interesting too. But when someone's teeth are slightly protruded, their laugh with exposed teeth does look genuine to me.
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Islander, in reply to
The late Bill Minehan (and a lot of his 9 kids) had/have those protruding teeth - they were faithfully copied for his false ones, and never seemed threatening when he grinned- because it was an honest grin? Not a smile-for-the-camera?
Anyway, I continue very unimpressed with Mr Smile&Wave to the Suckers.
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
I find Jacinda Ardern also smiles with what comes across as genuine pleasure, and even though her teeth are exposed,(she has big teeth) her warmth is with her smile.
And, as you say, the incredible smiling (nice to have) Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man makes me reach for my bucket if I glance him.
Warning, may need your bucket for this one.
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Islander, in reply to
Gak!
Also, chews his nails or has a really bad manicurist- -
Um. Some of us genuinely smile with exposed teeth. Sorry we're harshing your mellow with our perceived creepy fakeness or whatever. (Something else I have no control over which I can now feel slightly uncomfortable doing! Awesome.)
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
But Danielle, although I have never seen your face, I can believe that you would not smile unless you meant it, so teeth or not, I imagine you would come across as genuine. I find the eyes have it.
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Islander, in reply to
Danielle - please note comments about Bill Minehan & family! I happily accept some? -a lot? of people arnt in threat-mode or camera-trained when you/they expose their teeth.
And I tautoko Sofie- the eyes do have it - and John Key's eyes dont. For me.
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Smilin': ur doin it wrung.
Me too apparently.
Orthodontists the world over are weeping into their spit bowls.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
among most primates, baring your teeth is a threat*.
I do find that during a confrontational situation baring the teeth can have a a disarming affect, I take them out, put them on the table and people tend to back off.
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Islander, in reply to
Heh!
Steve B -on this increasingly cold & windy night (thank goodness & human ingenuity for good ranges!) that made me laugh out loud- thanks! -
Thomas Johnson, in reply to
The smile is the same smile that you see on a Hyena
Tell us what you really think about Key Steve? I suppose it will be the Brownlee fat jokes next?
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Actually I see that same Key smile all over town, on real estate hoardings
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
Actually I see that same Key smile all over town, on real estate hoardings
Big telescreens are probably next.
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"This receives Maskelyne's careful Smirk. He fancies it a Smile, but 'tis an Attitude of the Mouth only,-- the eyes do not engage in it, being off upon business of their own. The impression is of unrelenting wariness."
(TP, M&D, p. 117)
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Um. Some of us genuinely smile with exposed teeth. Sorry we’re harshing your mellow with our perceived creepy fakeness or whatever.
It’s not about you or anything you’re doing right or wrong.
Kathy Sierra talked about this in one of her Webstock presentations. The theory being that the old-brain response to eye contact and baring of teeth is rooted in the fact that, once upon a time, if you could see both a creature’s eyes at once, it was going to eat you. The baring of teeth really only serves to confirm the fact.
Some people – most notably some on the autism spectrum – lack the wiring for a more sophisticated reading of facial expressions and gestures, and default to a less sophisticated one. They can’t understand why they feel so uncomfortable with “normal” social gestures and may in fact be relieved to be told they feel squicky because deep down they know the other person is going to eat them.
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Steve Barnes, in reply to
I suppose it will be the Brownlee fat jokes next?
As usual, you suppose wrong. So, what do you think of John Key? Better?
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Matthew Poole, in reply to
People are entitled to change their minds, and so are politicians
One of the scariest things about Brash is that he hasn't changed his economic views in over 20 years. He still believes ardently in minimal regulation of the financial sector, for example, even with the evidence from the last five years.
He's so tightly wedded to his ideas that Rod Oram, as espoused in a recent RNZ interview that I was listening to in the gym, suspects he'll really struggle with the compromises that are integral to really playing in politics. -
HORansome, in reply to
Well, as I joked on Twitter, Brash's criticisms of John Key compromising on campaign issues whilst in the reality of governing with support parties really does seem to indicate (if Don is being consistent) that ACT is expecting no policy concessions should they be part of the next government.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Yes, if one is doing sonar engineering and the like, seawater composition is very interesting.
I once had a job washing bottles in a lab that bottled and sold reference seawater - it's quite a process to avoid all contamination. (e.g. no bugs that might alter the salinity through biological processes).
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Russell Brown, in reply to
He's so tightly wedded to his ideas that Rod Oram, as espoused in a recent RNZ interview that I was listening to in the gym, suspects he'll really struggle with the compromises that are integral to really playing in politics.
I suspect so. Oram's earlier assessment of the first Productivity Taskforce report made the point that it didn't even pretend to look at any measurement or evidence of what had happened in the New Zealand economy in the last 20 years. There's no need to ask such questions when you already know the answers.
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