Hard News: Standing up and calling bullshit
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Isn't this just getting a wee bit silly?
Labour MP David Cunliffe was to send a letter to TVNZ chief executive Rick Ellis today about what he called a taxpayer funded promotion for the Minister of Finance.
"The promotion should either stop or balance should be provided," he said.
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He said Labour should be given the same kind of coverage that Mr English was receiving.
"This is a significant subsidy to the government using a state broadcaster, it looks and feels like propaganda. It looks like an election campaign's already started and that's inappropriate."
I really do hope this is a sloppy paraphrase on NZPA's part, but what the hell does "the same kind of coverage" mean? The same thing you're condemning as grossly unethical? Or is Rick Ellis going to receive a complaint that Labour doesn't receive the same coverage in Opposition that it did in Government, which might be galling (as I'm English himself can testify as a former leader of the Opposition) but hardly meets any reasonable test of "bias".
Now, if Cunliffe can produce evidence that English gets coverage with being offered an opportunity for comment then, Houston, we most definitely do have a problem.
But if you do want to complain about bias, then perhaps you shouldn't do it in a story headlined Expert shocked by TVNZ 7 English ad. Did NZPA's Maggie Tait canvas any other media "experts" besides Claire Robinson to either provide 'balance' or at least present her opinion as being representative? Or was this a case of reprinting a press release, or selecting your "expert" to lend authority to an already determined angle?
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Scott A:
Why exactly shouldn't Public Address carry advertising for TVNZ7?
Wrong colour tie.
Seems to me with this flag thing that people are just pissed that it's the wrong brand of death.
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If it comes to that, what about mandatory fingerprinting of all adults, just in case? Would you have a problem with that? Why? Surely only the guilty have something to fear?
Hang on a minute. I wasn't suggesting that at all.
Also, you get fingerprinted after being arrested, this would be before.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of that. I assumed it was only happening after you were arrested and facing a potential custodial sentence of a couple of years.
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Meanwhile, when it comes to vile arse-hattery disguised as brave contrarian speaking of truth to power, nobody in New Zealand is playing the same game, let alone in the same league, as Gore Vidal in the latest Atlantic.
Just a small taste to whet you appetite:
In September, director Roman Polanski was arrested in Switzerland for leaving the U.S. in 1978 before being sentenced to prison for raping a 13-year-old girl at Jack Nicholson’s house in Hollywood. During the time of the original incident, you were working in the industry, and you and Polanski had a common friend in theater critic and producer Kenneth Tynan. So what’s your take on Polanski, this many years later?
I really don’t give a fuck. Look, am I going to sit and weep every time a young hooker feels as though she’s been taken advantage of?
I’ve certainly never heard that take on the story before.
First, I was in the middle of all that. Back then, we all were. Everybody knew everybody else. There was a totally different story at the time that doesn’t resemble anything that we’re now being told.
What do you mean?
The media can’t get anything straight. Plus, there’s usually an anti-Semitic and anti-fag thing going on with the press – lots of crazy things. The idea that this girl was in her communion dress, a little angel all in white, being raped by this awful Jew, Polacko – that’s what people were calling him – well, the story is totally different now from what it was then.
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During the 1970s, Warren Beatty, Jack Nicholson, and producer Robert Evans were celebrated for lifestyles of sexual extravagance.
Well, they’re all virgins, every last one of them. I can testify to that. And the last one you mentioned, he’s a super virgin.
They’ve certainly never been criticized and condemned for their sexual excesses. But Polanski was condemned even before he pled guilty to raping a girl.
Well, believe it or not, anti-Semitism is very strong out here, even though this is a Jewish business. L.B. Mayer was the worst anti-Semite of all.
But he was Jewish.
Well, Mayer’s view was, “The public will turn on all of us if they know that one of us has done anything.”
You think anti-Semitism is motivating the prosecution of Polanski?
Anti-Semitism got poor Polanski. He was also a foreigner. He did not subscribe to American values in the least. To [his persecutors], that seemed vicious and unnatural.
As the Women's XV might say, there's a whole damn church hall full of bingo cards in that interview. Enjoy, but I'd recommend not doing it on a full stomach.
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Enjoy, but I'd recommend not doing it on a full stomach.
You couldn't have said that at the start of your post? Man, I just ate!
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You couldn't have said that at the start of your post? Man, I just ate!
Great minds think alike -- but I thought it just as the edit button vanished back into the ether. :)
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I’ve certainly never heard that take on the story before.
If you want a failure of journalism, that's it right there.
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Or a failure of fiction, prehaps.
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Waaaay back on topic ...
Love the way this suggestion works. Did you notice how posters fall back into line? :)
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If you want a failure of journalism, that's it right there.
But the next time I act like an utter douche, I'll certainly trot out Vidal's apologia for Bill Clinton:
When he claimed, “I didn’t have sexual relations with that woman, Ms. Lewinsky,” he was totally accurate.
You believe him?
He was talking Southern. In the South, sex is when you put it in and pump away and there’s a danger of a baby. That’s “sexual relations.” Anything else is what we called in school “messing around.” And all Southern boys messed around."
Doesn't Vidal know any women who are capable of slapping some sense into his damn fool head? It's like he regards Monica Lewinsky and Samantha Geimer as defective blow up dolls rather than human beings deserving of a modicum of respect.
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RE; DNA sampling.
How long, and under what circumstances, is the sample kept? And who is it available to?
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Going back to the "how can it be seen as a National/English promotion"....
Its pretty simple really.... while all of us here at PAS are so incredibly intelligent, and never confuse correlation with causation.... advertising is frequently aimed a little lower...
If the statements about the improved economy and quicker than expected recovery were made by Brian Easton, Gareth Morgan, Bernard Hickey or any other not obviously party affiliated analyst, they are simply taken as a statement of a current situation.
When they are made by the person who is supposed to be in charge of affecting those changes, they are taken as a promotion of the ability to make positive change.
Compare and contrast....
Auto journalists, in article says "Toyota sold more cars than anyone else in the past year". Likely to be interpreted as a statement of fact.
Toyota Exec, in paid placement says "Toyota sold more cars than anyone else in the past year" is likely to be perceived as an advertisement, no?
But thats all there is to it... a perception that its promotional.
I dont beleive at all that it was a put up job or that political influence was exerted or any of that crap. Poorly thought out creative effort is far more plausible. -
And my final OT gross out for the day: Could whoever is running the otherwise useful Red Alert blog give Mallard a time out and ban folks who think it's cute to fag-bait Chris 'Tinkerbell' Finlayson?
Tinkerbell? Darling, if you're going to be a bitch couldn't you come up with a more fabulous drag name? Mab, Titania or something truly queenly.
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3410,
I dont beleive at all that it was a put up job or that political influence was exerted or any of that crap.
I don't think anyone's seriously suggesting that it was. That doesn't mean that it's not innappropiiate and shouldn't be pulled.
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Agreed.
Did NZPA's Maggie Tait canvas any other media "experts" besides Claire Robinson to either provide 'balance' or at least present her opinion as being representative? Or was this a case of reprinting a press release, or selecting your "expert" to lend authority to an already determined angle?
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were no media experts willing to say the ad wasn't inappropriate. It's not a like it's a close call: it is obviously like a political advert. Eric Kearly from TVNZ said he disagreed it looked like a party political broadcast, but that's got to be disingenuous. The only saving grace, and the point that might protect TVNZ if there was a complaint, is the last few seconds that explain that TVNZ7 will be bringing us a month of programmes on the economy. Prior to that, it looks just like an excerpt from a party political broadcast. Even Paul Henry thought so, and he isn't exactly known for bias in favour of Labour. It's not the result of political interference, but it was a poor judgment on TVNZ's part.
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But thats all there is to it... a perception that its promotional.
Which is also my point about the TVNZ7 banner ad at the top of the this page. Yes, it moves on, but the first image is a smiling Bill English, with the caption "get it in plain english" with the english big, bold and in National party blue.
It's not an advertisement for the National party, I know that. But that first image looks and reads like it could be.
The banner ad is making the same fundamental error the television ad does, by thinking that a high-profile politician can be used as a "celebrity attractor" to a product without it in any way being political.
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Doesn't make it any less shit. I just feel like a lot, perhaps most of middle NZ has bought into this crap, and we need someone who will shake them out of it.
Perhaps when the police start taking their DNA for traffic offences. But IIRC they're already doing that, pulling over teenagers for traffic stops then lying to them to get a "voluntary" sample.
The law shits all over the BORA. national's own law-whore advised against passing it. Parliament didn't care. Please, can I have an enforceable BORA, rather than letting the "tough on crime" pricks run rampant?
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May I join your request please Idiot Savant?
This matter, the suggestion of privatising water-supply (and shit removal) and the trotting out of SHRIEK AUE BANKRUPTCY(o, in 2050)
all at the same time-has the fingerprints of that disgusting set of political machinists all over it-
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all at the same time-has the fingerprints of that disgusting set of political machinists all over it-
And didn't Sue Bradford express that so well. A women of integrity. I will miss her.
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Actually FWIW I am glad that us humans get out raged 'cos this sort of stuff is fundamentally wrong. I sadly knew and expected this the minute that National got it's major win. I believe we NZers have hope and always want a good outcome. Generally can handle what gets delivered but this was a new well oiled machine out of Australia who had been successful recently with Boris so I had concern. I believe we have world in financial strife, we have people wanting answers and media to fuel that. Nats are good at the con, convincing people to believe. I don't believe they think it can hurt because it never hurt them.But I am not surprised and figure we are getting into a whole lot of republican American paranoia being introduced. That is the bitch.
okay rant over,switching to Russell Brown, Media 7. :) -
Did NZPA's Maggie Tait canvas any other media "experts" besides Claire Robinson
I happen to know Claire and the use of the quote marks implies an undeserved and cheap sneer. Her PhD is in precisely the subject she is addressing, political marketing. She has very long career experience in business and academia and is well respected in both. If you're not just doing a vox pop and want expertise, you ask her.
Granted, varying opinion is needed, but the sneering at someone you know nothing about is inappropriate and unnecessary.
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Anyone else want the picture of Rodney Hide and his Girlfriend in their head? - Me either.
The Herald having ago at Hide for travelling with his girlfriend is too much infomantion. The obvious age difference might be seen that he is using this as an inducement for her to be with him, therefore that she has low morals as well as questionable taste.
This has surely crossed the line of transparency into voyeurism.
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You know what Henry Kissinger said about power...
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Uh, I didn't read that into it at all. Aren't they mainly interested because of his previous incarnation as "perk-buster"?
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3410,
Aren't they mainly interested because of his previous incarnation as "perk-buster"?
And his disobeyance of the prime minister's directive.
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