Hard News: The song is not the same
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Simon, we agree! Good god, I need a drink. ;-)
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And like it or not, you do meet the definition of troll.
and like it or not I can't seem to get excited by being called one, it means nothing to me, sorry, I wish I could be offended for you but its just a still word out of roll playing games to me.
As your Internet-fu doesn't appear to include the capability to use search engines, have one on me:
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@Sacha
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its not going to solve anything.
Finally, you say something I can agree with.
its going to give a first indication of biggest downloaders be they of pirated material or legitimate. why would you say wtf to that. its obvious.
Which is meaningless. I regularly hit my 10GB a month download allocation and I don't download any copyrighted material, except under fair use when I'm doing research and I certainly don't republish that stuff. I pull down a lot of free software, Linux distributions, web tools, all manner of stuff. I also watch a fair bit of YouTube, courtesy of the links provided on this site and others. How is tagging me as a large scale downloader going to solve copyright infringement.
It's the equivalent of observing that red cars are involved in a lot of accidents, so the police are going to target people driving red cars because some of them may be bad drivers, to the exclusion of all other drivers.
You really don't understand the stuff you're talking about.
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I regularly hit my 10GB a month download allocation and I don't download any copyrighted material, except under fair use when I'm doing research and I certainly don't republish that stuff. I pull down a lot of free software, Linux distributions, web tools, all manner of stuff. I also watch a fair bit of YouTube, courtesy of the links provided on this site and others. How is tagging me as a large scale downloader going to solve copyright infringement.
Ah yes, YouTube... the bane of many ISPs :P
YouTube has taken off... so has Flickr, and even social network sites like Facebook & MySpace embed videos. You can watch old episodes of Shortland Street online now - TVNZ & TV3 both provide that.
Soon you'll be able to stream movies to your home (in the next 10 years... maybe!). Video is the big bandwidth user, and there is a lot out there that's perfectly legal. Add in streaming internet radio stations (legal) and you're looking at a lot of data being used for every-day, legal activities. Xtra knows very well how much YT is hurting it - it relied on "mum & dad" internet users paying $20-30/m for a few emails. Now it's "mum & dad" being sent videos and pictures of the grandkids via flickr and YT.
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As your Internet-fu doesn't appear to include the capability to use search engines, have one on me:
sorry, you mis understood me, I meant that your name calling has no impact on me, I want to be offended, but,.... for some reason it just seems meaningless. go figure huh?
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eight of them in network engineering roles or related, including at major ISPs.
any expansion on what you did at isp's matthew. as in describe the sort of things you were involved in.
I ask cos I could technically say I was working in IT since 96 when I was writing web pages, or actually 86 if you count university tech work dealing with computers etc, but that wouldn't make me an expert on a any of that shit, although like most people at uni I could easily offer an opinion.
everyone's an expert at home after all. Cameron's explanation was nicely worded for an open forum like this as opposed to a tech head forum. -
Your sarcasm-fu is pretty crap as well
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Which is meaningless. I regularly hit my 10GB a month
I'm talking 50 - 80 gig.
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Your sarcasm-fu is pretty crap as well
seems to work on you though :)
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any expansion on what you did at isp's matthew. as in describe the sort of things you were involved in.
Well, I know Matthew, and I know his experience. I know of the work he's done for 2 major NZ ISPs and his networking prowess.
He knows what he's talking about. He dreams about networks and protocols.
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Mmmm, bacon.
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Simon, we agree! Good god, I need a drink. ;-)
I kinda think we always did, you were just (unintentionally) misreading what I was saying. That said I'm a firm believer that downloading has hurt the recording industry (although nowhere near the levels the IFPI would have you believe), but I'm also a subscriber to the idea that it's not an altogether bad thing.
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any expansion on what you did at isp's matthew. as in describe the sort of things you were involved in.
I did network engineer-y things. Router configuration and management. Switch configuration and management. Connectivity management. Capacity planning and management. Traffic analysis. Also management of things like email, web and DNS servers. Things at layers one-through-four of the TCP/IP network model. Stuff that's directly relevant to this discussion, and for most people would qualify me as competent to pass comment. If that's not good enough for you, well, tough. This is as much of a justification for my belief that I know what I'm talking about as you're going to get.
As for my definition of "working in IT", ISP helldesk, ISP NE/SA, support engineer for a major IT consultancy, SA for one of the largest web-hosting companies in the country, and now my present job as an SA-cum-NE for a university. That constitutes "working in IT" by most definitions with which I am familiar.
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I did network engineer-y things. Router configuration and management. Switch configuration and management. Connectivity management. Capacity planning and management. Traffic analysis. Also management of things like email, web and DNS servers. Things at layers one-through-four of the TCP/IP network model...
So what you're saying is that you don't use a PC, you tap on a wire like MacGyver did!
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That said I'm a firm believer that downloading has hurt the recording industry (although nowhere near the levels the IFPI would have you believe), but I'm also a subscriber to the idea that it's not an altogether bad thing.
I would hope that most copyright-reform advocates, as well as those who just think that the music industry is full of itself, will concede that downloading hasn't been a zero-harm situation. That said, the industry's shills have done their cause no assistance by pulling numbers out of their collective posterior to "prove" that "downloading is destroying the industry," to justify ever-more-draconian statutory enforcement of their business model.
A few years ago, a document that probably wasn't meant to be seen by the public ended up on the RIAA website very briefly. Long enough to be downloaded by an analyst, who examined the numbers. It contained a breakdown of costs of RIAA members, and showed that the industry lost more to "shrinkage" and "breakage" than was considered to be a fair assessment of the actual losses due to downloading. Unfortunately I cannot remember anything more than this, and my Google foo isn't serving me well this evening, so I can't post a link to the commentary. Needless to say it made RIAA look really bad, because it showed just how wasteful their supply chain is, and suggested that maybe the internet model, with its zero-breakage/zero-shrinkage distribution is actually a much, much better system.
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So what you're saying is that you don't use a PC, you tap on a wire like MacGyver did!
Taught him everything he knows :P
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Geek! Geek! Except that you do theatre as well, and on stage. How odd...
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I linked to it earlier but unit sales of music are up around the world in 2008
does that figure take into account things like expanding markets and population increase.
total figures should go up each year as the world population expands and as previously untapped markets come on line that should also push the total sales figure up. If you take all that into account and the figure is still up then that's an increase, if its less than the projected amount then sales are being affected by something, be it piracy or shit product.
saying piracy plays no part in anything is a little naive though (not that you are saying this simon, you clearly said you think it does). look around, how have our friends and our own consumption patterns changed. anyone here not watch pirated movies from the net, or got a swag of not necessarily bought and paid for music on their ipod or computer?
be honest. if you said you haven't you're in the minority or you would be in my circle of experience, maybe its different where everyone else lives. -
That said, the industry's shills have done their cause no assistance by pulling numbers out of their collective posterior to "prove" that "downloading is destroying the industry," to justify ever-more-draconian statutory enforcement of their business model.
You need to be fairly careful defining 'industry' as it's not as monlithicly or as collectively one voiced as you suggest.
If you peruse this list with a bit of industry knowledge, 80% of it consists of the 4 major labels under various aliases or their partially owned subsidiaries. RIAA is only really is the mouth piece for these companies and a few others, including, I note a few fairly strong critics like Nettwerk Records.
They do have the lobby groups, market share and bucks to pull strings though but I'm thinking that their influence is stronger because those listening don't quite understand which way the wind is blowing.
Very large parts of the international recording industry, by it's very nature, exist outside this 'collective posterior' which is why it's been able to reinvent itself from the edge so many times over the years. It's an industry with a history of business model rebellion which is one of it's joys.
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He knows what he's talking about. He dreams about networks and protocols.
yet you explained the ins and outs of it better, acknowledged the points I raised and gave some background to them.
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does that figure take into account things like expanding markets and population increase.
No it's plain unit sales as sold in the USA and the UK in 2008, from Soundscan and the BPI. Not a global figure. In those markets, unit sales rose. Part of the rise is due to the heavy ongoing rise in MP3 singles sales versus a decline in album sales, both physical and digital.
Simply put, people tend to pick and chose the tracks they like rather than buying whole albums. I know I do.
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I did network engineer-y things.
that's good enough for me.
yelling "I'm smarter than you" without any background or explanation does little to convince me of your superior knowledge or infact any knowledge. addressing the points directly as cameron did adds weight to his argument, yelling troll adds no weight to yours.good to see why you're so anti this too, cos it means extra work for you personally :) not that you're bias or anything
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No it's plain unit sales as sold in the USA and the UK in 2008
so the expanding marketplace isn't relevant to it but the increase in the us and uk market place as would be expected from population increase is.
To accurately view the figures I suppose one has to compare the increase in sales figures that took place to the projected sales figures they would be expecting under normal conditions (which obviously they're not experiencing for whatever reasons)?
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