Hard News: Undie Wankers
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Have a nosey on page 5/6 of the Undie 500
I should say, while some of the themes you see are pretty bad, most of the ones that come down are topical, well modified to a theme, and some are damn funny. It seems wrong that engineering students are the civilised, intelligent, charity donating ones in the whole story, but there you go.
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Seems quite a few people went for the dog-eating theme, including several teams in brownface. Sigh.
Have to admit a lot of the others are quite ingenious though.
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Sofie, you picked up on something I was thinking about the arson attack in Christchurch. For those who didn't notice, the mayor said:
"I think, if we're honest, right across the community there was a sense it would happen,"
"One positive thing is that that memorial to murder most foul has been erased.
"I hope this is, perhaps, a turning point.
"We've got to find something positive in all this."He went on to deny that his statements were "condoning arson", but it sure looks like that to me.
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ASBOs, for those who don't follow UK stuff, allow the magistracy to forbid any behaviour they don't like and make it a crime to persist with such activity once warned.
That seems to me to be merely a judicial version of enabling police to order people to desist from a particular activity.
I'd stress that the Undie students aren't really my people. They probably vote tory, watch rugby, and wear blue jeans and polo shirts. However, I believe that tolerance doesn't just extend to people you like or whose ideas and activities you sympathise with.
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I am not really defending these students.
Sure, Tom?
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fundamentally good kids who drunkenly threw a bottle at a policeman one night.
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drunk young men and women very unlikely to ever offend again.
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protect our youth from themselvesThe poor dears. As for "unlikely to offend again", we can guarantee many of them will continue being offensive into their old age if there are no consequences for boorish crap behaviour now. They're not little children.
I'm not suggesting enforced mindless conformity instead, either. No problem at all with a bit of youthful rebellion and fun - but there are limits that most young New Zealanders seem to have no trouble identifying. Just not the pale plonkers of the South, it seems.
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See, the Bavarians have the right approach. They pour the beer, bank the 830 million Euros and don't really care when someone falls under a tram. The S-Bahn is of course designed to suffer minimal impediment from soft liquid-filled objects placed in its path.
I've never heard of the cops in Munich charging groups of punters for drinking in the street. At least, not during Oktoberfest.
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amateurs would drive themselves home in the small hours after partying all night. More than one has observed that it was no small miracle that nobody got killed on their way home from such parties.
and... I'll rest my case, hmmm, miracle nobody got killed eh?
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Hypocracy of democracy is why I question everything.I'd like to think those Klan photos, whilst I find distasteful can also work in a context of how to educate those around them of what not to do. I've helped raise one of those Chch engineering students and I know he treats this time of year as release for pending exams ( and his grades are good) so as Rich said above I will try to treat everyone fairly and hope for the same in return. If assault occurs (calling all smacking industry) the system allows retribution, so be it, but to villify students for exercising their passage into adult life seems unduly harsh to me.
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I'd like to think those Klan photos, whilst I find distasteful can also work in a context of how to educate those around them of what not to do.
Only if someone calls them on it. And then backs it up with the education.
Heard a snippet of a holocaust educator talking to RNZ in the wake of the Lincoln nazi "party". Pretty understanding balanced with sadly unimpressed.
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exercising their passage into adult life
Can't they just stick with congregating outside milkbars, applying too much Brylcreem and hitching up their hems?
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:)) I dunno. we are not perfect and I know I tried plenty to have fun but not at the expense of others. I like to think my parents helped there.Over here in the Uk, I have noticed how exactly the same bitching goes on but one thing I found both funny and really sad was the problems of parents taking their kids to school on their first day and the dilemma involved with fucking clothing, and I mean treatment of each other depending on what you wear and that's the parents! Go figure.
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Steve, it appears that the burning of couches in the middle of the street isn't at all an old tradition.
Couches have been burnt occasionally for ages. It's the apparent need to burn at least one to give a party any legitimacy that is new.
Somewhat relatedly, I presently find myself in a city of a similar size to Dunedin, whose main industries appear to be tourism and a university. Apart from being enormously warmer, it appears there is no less drinking than Dunedin, but that is more evenly spread over the days of the week. I did see some puke in the gutter just before, but last night (a Monday), I was enamoured with all the young people sitting in street cafes, and sometimes just on the street and in public spaces drinking and chatting merrily.
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More than one has observed that it was no small miracle that nobody got killed on their way home from such parties.
As Steven Joyce pointed out the other day...
An online survey of 1200 Kiwi drug users shows one in four drove after taking cannabis in the last year... Minister Steven Joyce said the problem "may be bigger than previously known".
So. The "Previously unknown problem" was what exactly? That people drove after a joint and didn't have an accident? That doesn't seem like a problem to me, unless you are trying to prove how dangerous it was. In which case Major Fail.
More than half of respondents said taking cannabis did not affect their driving ability and more than 16 per cent said it improved it.
I remember people saying exactly the same about drink driving. Who do you believe? Who do you believe?
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These floats were approved by the UC Proctor.
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These floats were approved by the UC Proctor.
Sorry but what's your point?
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Sasha have you thought just how offensive this is
Just not the pale plonkers of the South, it seems.
If not change the word pale to black and plonker to*****
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I remember people saying exactly the same about drink driving. Who do you believe?
Objective evidence over personal anecdote. When it comes to driving while drunk there's no real debate that ability decreases with consumption, and that's based on significant study. Hell, the Herald did a test over the weekend to demonstrate just how ridiculously high our breath alcohol limits are.
Is there any similar body of study on the effects of driving under the influence of narcotics? Obviously Granny's not going to be carrying out a demonstration, but I don't think that people really doubt that smoking pot impairs motor function and cognitive skills. Those are the same things that make driving drunk so dangerous, but alcohol also stimulates confidence and aggression which compounds the problem.
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allow the magistracy to forbid any behaviour they don't like and make it a crime to persist with such activity once warned.
That seems to me to be merely a judicial version of enabling police to order people to desist from a particular activity.
Not quite, Rich. ASBOs can be for anything, even if it's not criminal. There are some quite interesting examples on the Wikipedia page, including being forbidden to make excessive noise during sex, being forbidden to wear particular arrangements of clothing, and being forbidden to play football in the street.
It's a big, big stretch to compare that kind of nearly-unlimited power to define something as anti-social behaviour with the limited definitions of unlawful public behaviour that exist in NZ law. I know it's something dear to your anarchistic heart, but they're not at all the same thing.
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... have you thought just how offensive this is
I actually find it quite offensive to claim that having a crack at e.g. South Islanders is the same thing as racism.
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being forbidden to wear particular arrangements of clothing,
Ahem, Fongers?
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I have no idea what you mean by that, Sofie, but I was alluding to an ASBO that forbid the subjects to wear a single golf glove.
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"we are not perfect and I know I tried plenty to have fun but not at the expense of others."
So Sofie, does this mean that you didn't hurl bottles at the police, ambulance drivers and firefighters? Or do you mean "...not at the expense of others apart from the jackbooted tools of the fascist state who had it coming?"
Also - given that 23% of the first batch arrested were not students of any kind (and another 13% were at high school or polytech), can we stop characterising them all as tory-voting second-year accounting students?
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you thought just how offensive this is
I'm sorry. I was thinking of all three things together and the various photos that have been linked to here - assaulting police, dressing as nazis and in KKK outfits.
Perhaps I should have said "stupid, racist young white people residing in the South Island" to be clearer.
That's not nearly as offensive as their behaviour, trust me. If you want to mount a defense of race relations in the mainland, I'm all ears.
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I think" stupid "covers it rather better than refering to their ethnicity
In defense of race relations down here I can only record my personal experience that it was not till I lived in the North island that I heard Maori refered to as people who were inferior to the rest of NZersOn the other hand the county I live in was one of the whitest in NZ and at that stage those that were here were mostly whanau but still it was a shock
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