Hard News: Vision and dumbassery
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We have a parliamentary democracy - we don't vote for the PM - we vote for parties who in turn choose their PM and cabinet - they can even kick out a PM mid term and appoint another without holding an election - all they have to be able to do is convince the GG that they have confidence and supply
This is not the USA with a president, this is a parliamentary democracy, we elect our ministers, not give their jobs to our best mates or highest fundraisers - people who focus too much on the cult of a particular party leader are obviously unclear on how our democracy really works
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Paul Campbell, in reply to
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I know there are no such words as “bitter” or “cynical” or “envious” or phrases such as “chip-on -the-shoulder” on Planet Key.
so I guess Judith's now on a different planet then
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Warning Will Robinson! Warning!
As I"ve repeated. I did dissect my praise for Key on Page 4 of the 2014 Methane Election topic which I suspect may have answered many of Ian’s musings.
Please refer and get back to me.
I think we've crossed the Turing Horizon on this one...
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Richard Aston, in reply to
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Why encourage him? He’s distracting, he’s annoying and he’s wasting time we could be spending in a valuable exchange of ideas and information. IMHO he’s best ignored, attempts to get him to engage in sensible discourse have been made aplenty.
On the other hand we wouldn’t have had Ian’s pearl without Jake’s irritation.+1 Angela
The irritant has done its job now and can be washed down with a nice Chardonnay with the rest of the oyster, a wee burp, then ignored.As for Ian's Pearl its a , well its a pearler, love it . still re reading it , he's a treasure here, a public address Taonga
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Dean Wallis, in reply to
I know there are no such words as “bitter” or “cynical” or “envious” or phrases such as “chip-on -the-shoulder” on Planet Key.
How about "delusional"?
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Dean Wallis, in reply to
Why encourage him? He’s distracting, he’s annoying and he’s wasting time we could be spending in a valuable exchange of ideas and information.
A good point Angela, however it fascinates me to see if we can actually tease out something that would enlighten us all. I have recently been swapping opinions with right-wing acquaintances and am working on a theory that there is no conscious thought associated with right-wing politics. Due to the inability to elucidate anything more than "he's a lovely man" or "Run, John, Run", none of my samples has come up with anything useful.
Although not having studied the subject thoroughly, my working hypothesis is that if your politics fall towards the right-wing, the more you are controlled by the Limbic System, rather than conscious rational thought. This explains several things - of course the alien shape-shifter allegations, and also the fact that John Key is of a comedic nature.
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krothville, in reply to
+1.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
I know there are no such words as "bitter" or "cynical" or "envious" or phrases such as "chip-on -the-shoulder" on Planet Key.
On Planet Key there is no middle ground. John Key is right and anyone else is wrong. Throughout his changing stories, First Citizen John Key has been right all along.
He's a man without a moral compass and without conviction. A bit like you, I think.
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mark taslov, in reply to
I’ve felt they needed more mongrel to survive/achieve their potential.
A notable lack of sandals.
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Cortina trap...
- Caught in a logic loop.
I know there are no such words as “bitter” or “cynical” or “envious” or phrases such as “chip-on -the-shoulder” on Planet Key.Daisy, Daisy give me your answer do...
Dave is the man to shut this rogue trading program down
Key has always been a sell-sword with an eye on the throne
but the quality of his mercenary is strained...NOTE: [Translations are available on 0900 IANSLINGO
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Sam F, in reply to
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As I"ve repeated. I did dissect my praise for Key on Page 4 of the 2014 Methane Election topic which I suspect may have answered many of Ian’s musings.
Please refer and get back to me.Ian's post is actually a response to that page 4 post you're referring to above, so referring me back to it doesn't constitute a response to Ian's post - we are going in circles. (Also I've just reread that post of yours, and all of the subsequent ones, and you didn't elaborate any further on those points or make further arguments in support of them, beyond claiming that Key has the "X factor".)
I see numerous people upthread calling time on this whole discussion, and I need to bow out shortly for work reasons myself anyway, but I would be interested in whether you can simply respond, in order for convenience's sake, to Ian's points which he raised in response to your own. They're not really that hard to understand if you take the time and work through them, and it would go a long way to showing you're prepared to make the effort to argue points in good faith (which is what makes PAS at its best so unique).
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I'm baffled too Angela. All this attention on a humble right-wing, Key fan.
Maybe its just that, I attract all this ant-rhetoric because I'm not a paid-up member of the PA Cosy-Club.
As you'll notice, I get a lot of abuse but fear of a stranger can and does provoke strange reactions at times.
The one person who appears to rise above the need to squash me is Russell. He was right to pull me up previously, but he obviously realises I simply wish to debate nowadays.
Maybe from a more conspiracy-driven angle, I suffer like the fat boy did in Golding's Lord Of the Flies ???{my memory's not great] where that dark side of human nature was exposed where any group often tends to regularly pick on the odd one out.
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Trevor Nicholls, in reply to
That's all I can come up with.
You make statements. People dissect them and critique them. You refer them back to your statements. That's not a discussion, or even an argument.
Thank God NZ has your incisive and articulate mind to inform us of the realities of life. Without you we just wouldn't have a clue.
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nzlemming, in reply to
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A good point Angela, however it fascinates me to see if we can actually tease out something that would enlighten us all.
You won't. There's nothing there. His mission is to make PAS unpleasant as place for actual, rational discussion, much like the Standard comments section has become. Discussions here are usually more nuanced and don't fit the left/right black and white tribal paradigm that suits the Farrars and Slaters of this world (and the "Jakes", though that might be redundant).
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I am just loving this thread , loving it. I just wished I had more time to contribute but at the very least I want to thank some here in what little time I do have .
To izogi for a great take on the dark side of presidential branding and the kick ass, “Tread on people like this instead of including them and they’ll do more than just disagree with you. They’ll start to hate you “
To Dean Wallis for his passionate call to take our country back . A country where we have a “real job, making real stuff for real people who need it” . Brilliant!
To Ian Dalziel , our own wild eye mystic running through the village, wildly waving and yelling at the death cult, proselytizing tinkers in our midst, mist veiled by their own dissonance. Shine on, shine on you dalziel diamond.
To mark taslov for so laterally linking Lewdness with the nuances of privacy, I feel so.. naked, writing emails now.
To Ben Wilson for sharing the Internalized Really Complicated Situation in his head as he works out – so fluidly- a beautifully constructed coalition , still a work in progress. “Our ability to signal is not limited to our vote.” Great signal work Ben .
More Vision than Dumbassery here.
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It's been linked to on another thread, but it's worth adding here, because this kind of real news is exactly WHY Key and his trolls try to divert and distract:
http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/798623855-ombudsman-overrules-key-over-naming-of-staffer
That is huge news, it goes to the very core of the Prime Minister's personal integrity, but the clock is being run down and the news will barely register before polling day.
The battle for our democratic heart doesn't end on Sept 21. It starts.
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John Farrell, in reply to
You poor thing.
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steven crawford, in reply to
Yes that’s a bit of a bummer about kelvin Davis. I am going to vote for IM anyway. Bugger the polsters.
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Dismal Soyanz, in reply to
Mr Key says the Ombudsman’s ruling is fine by him.
"Totally comfortable with that, the only reason we didn't name names is just simply because these people handle sensitive information, and in the case of Phil de Joux he now works in the private sector."Is it just me or was that a total non sequiter?
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mark taslov, in reply to
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simon g, in reply to
Stuff has the full quote:
"The only reason we didn't name names is simply because these people handle sensitive information and in the case of Phil de Joux he now works in the private sector, so it's really just a privacy matter, but it's no big deal one way or the other."
I think we've reached the stage where Key just presses the random bullshit button, and relies on half the public not caring.
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The Greens are bad m'kay
John Ansell 'activist' justifies his attack billboards. I have been driving past one of these most days, but to me "Red Alert: Labour means 30% Greens" is a good thing, and I am definitely in his target market.
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andin, in reply to
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Hahahahahhaaaaaaaahahahahhaaaa. nothing idiotic in there.
swinging...keys in the bowl.. hahahaaaaaahahahaha
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
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What a sh*t!
Is it just me or was that a total non sequitur?
I think that was all pro squitter!
It's not far from fecal to feral...:- )
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Kim_Wright, in reply to
Non sequitors seem to be his bread and butter response.
I have just invented a drinking word game to play while awaiting for the election results on Saturday night.
1) Transcribed all of Johns Key's recent answers to questions about dirty politics and the GSCB, onto separate pieces of paper
2) Cut each sentence exactly at the pivot point where he digresses to 'something that has absolutely no relevance to the question asked
3) Mix and match sentence halves until someone forms a coherent sentence: Sentence maker drinks.
4) If the sentence answers a question he has actually been asked: Everyone drinks.Not sure for the conclusion if no coherent sentence can be formed. Could be a dry night.
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