Posts by Grant Dexter
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Look up "Piazza Fontana" or "Bologna massacre" on Wikipedia, Grant. Which is not to say that *all* pro-lifers or *all* right wingers harbour terrorists or promote terrorist. That's a bit you've added all by yourself.
People and groups of people have committed crimes in the name of a pro-life agenda. Those people and groups are to be condemned. I am happy that you wish to distance yourself from the idea that such acts define all pro-lifers or all right wingers.
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Grant might also wish to refer to...
You seem desperate to talk about anything but the association you have made linking pro life groups to terrorists through the actions of George Tiller's murderer.
Do you have any evidence that pro life groups should be regarded as terrorist threats?
Is your case going to rely upon the actions of one man or do you see pro life groups supporting him?
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Well it's unarguably demonstrable that they are a source of terrorists.
On what evidence?
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Make it $20.
I'll be posting every day now! :)
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But honestly Grant, I've already lost track of whatever it is you're trying to argue.
Do you think right wing or pro life groups should be regarded as the source of terrorists?
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What do you call people who promote (either explicitly or implicitly) "justifiable" killings of doctors who perform abortions ? I know that the existence of extremists within a group does not mean that the whole group are extremists. However, if the group does nothing to distance themselves from these calls for terrorist actions, they surely run the risk of being seen as terrorism enablers ?
Sure. I can agree with that. Could you show us some groups that are acting in such a manner? I have yet to read one statement from a pro-life organisation that has endorsed Tiller's murder as the right thing for the killer to do. If you can show us those groups then you will have some evidence on your side.
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Saying the suspect arrested has ties to right-wing extremist groups is not the same thing as saying all pro-lifers are terrorists. You're attempting to deny a link that hasn't been made here. Thus you're arguing with yourself. I hope that goes well for you.
If you believe there is no reason to be suspicious of right wing groups as being the source of and promoters of terrorists then I have no quarrel.
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"George Tiller was a mass-murderer and, horrifically, he reaped what he sowed" is not a celebration of the murder or a condoning of the murderer's actions. From that very same link, "The man who shot him was responsible".
We are on different sides of the abortion debate, but you cannot use the illegal and immoral actions of one man in order to win points on that issue.
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"Do not condone, do condemn, do disassociate" ... sorry.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall anyone here doing so.
From the blog:
The murder of Dr George Tiller in Kansas yesterday can only be regarded as American domestic terrorism.... The suspect arrested has ties to right-wing extremist groups
The murderer might well be correctly regarded as a terrorist. But it is dangerous to paint right wing organisations as extremist simply on association when the groups do not condone, condemn and disassociate themselves from the murderer.
If you can show these groups identifying with and celebrating Tiller's murder then Russell might have a point. Until then his ideas are dangerous.