Posts by DexterX
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NZLemming - I don't agree with you.
Whether it is ACC issuing bus lane fines without a valid by-law or NZEA telling members to wait for a recommendation then imposing a blacklist before holding a meeting the source of the problem is the same.
The problem is an organisation not fulfilling the purpose for which it was created and failing to follow it rules or process.
I use ACC to illustrate an example how an organisation making it up as it goes along creates massive problems. In breid form making it up as they went along without reagrd to the law and priocess is what NZEA MEAA(NZ)I have done.
I could have used another union though some of this is still in process before the Court.
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Sacha - I used to hold the view that the unions and the CTU were the only honest ones in the game – the reality is light years from this. IMHO the CTU are pretty self-serving and incompetent.
With NZAE Hobbit situation it is to my mind BS perpetuated by fools - I have a trouble tolerating bullshit and fools.
I do not hold a blanket distrust of unions Mike Treen and John Minto are great advocates and get on with “it”.
However some unions, like a lot of NZ institutions, fail to fulfil the purpose for which they were established – there is more concentration on the spin and manufactured melodramatic aspect than on what should be done or what is required to be done in accordance with the rules or the law.
To make the point - Take for instance the Auckland City Council – they resourced the parking enforcement section and left the building inspectors under resourced – what is going to cost Auckland more. What was the prime function Council should have attended to and what was the ancillary role they could at their discretion pursue.
It is interesting that up until Nov 2009 there was no basis at law for the 50 metre bus zone – The Council never actually passed a by law – they did not go through the process – but hey they issued the fines anyway from 2004 through to 2009 when the road user rule came in.
This last 18 months I have represented three people, who were members of unions, who had employment problems and the unions couldn’t be arsed helping them.
The thing is that “we” were able to get settlements for them. I have two more on the go at the moment. By “we’ I am talking about me and the worker working together and taking matters to mediation, the Authority or the Court. These situation have included CTU affiliated unions.
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David Hood - where is the proof of what you say.
Also when you say - "Collection agencies tend to be very good at not following up with people who would be taking the money from them, and very good at creating self perpetuating bureaucracies", - are you talking about the Millions of unpaid residuals held by MEAA Oz?
I would say it would need to be an entity independent of the union that does just that thing - the collection and distribution of residuals.
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SoloPassion - no I don't need a hand job though thanks for asking.
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Winston on the left - "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."
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Peter - your comment re democracy is quoting Winston Churchill.
I think it is fair assumption - others have also made this comment here and elsewhere - those residuals likely played a role in targeting the Hobbit.
It is not a conspiracy theory to see via a disclosure process how the fees structure, residuals and capitation are established.
A separate organisation to handle the residuals has merit as residuals would also be payable to people who were employed independent of any union.
We are talking about a workforce that consists largely of independent contractors. Why would say NZAE – MEAA(NZ)I ibe collecting these peoples residuals.
Also if you are suggesting residuals are union only and you leave the union do you lose the right to have them pay you the residual entitlement?
So residuals are best kept independent of the union. It is not a theory it is common sense.
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Getting back to the shambles and reviewing once more the "docs" and the time line and what is credible the problem is created by the imposition of the blacklist (The Cave Troll Ultimatum) – it bought pre production to a halt.
The fear Warner’s have is over the unsettling behaviour of MEAA(NZ)I in issuing the Cave Troll Ultimatum and the role of the Australian parent and in particular Simon Whip.
It is a fair assumption that a prime reason for the Hobbit being targeted in the unique way it has, is the matter of residuals that were to be paid and getting control over these – which is what the MEAA do in Oz.
It would worth seeing the meeting notes, resolutions or documents between CTU, NZEA- MEAA(NZ)I and the MEAA Oz on the matter of the residuals, capitation, and the commission rates and per capita charge involved – what was likely to be divided up and between whom.
That info should be made available and disclosed to any actor or tech going to work in the industry or this project so that they can make a choice as to who represents them.
In my view it would be best if residuals were handled independently of the unions – in that they don’t manage them.
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Helen Kelly: "I got involved in this dispute, and within a week, we had a process for settlement, and it's now fully resolved."
What - back the truck up.
What matters now is Warners’ assessment of the situation and if that assessment does not favour production in NZ then it will come down to what Jackson can do to save the situation.
That outcome won’t be know for a few days.
The spin means nothing it is irrelevant the outcome is what matters.
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Russell with regard to the numbers - the address to the "meeting" didn't start till 1.00 PM and at that time I would have put the numbers present at over 500 but below 1000 people.
Which by me is OK for a thing that came about the days/nights before.
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Giovanni Tiso - I have to say what utter bollocks that it was an anti union rally - at the Auckland rally the CTU and the NZEA - MEAA (NZ) incorporated were not mentioned.
If people at other centres react to the blacklisting and the threat it has made to their lives then that is their right to voice an opinion against the stupidity of the CTU and the NZEA - MEAA (NZ) Incorporated in issuing the Cave Troll Ultimatum – the blacklisting – and then saying we only wanted to talk.
The pieces in the NZ Herald this morning where Robyn Malcolm and the other women, whose name escapes me, were portrayed as the victims in all of this – Oh please – really??
It does matter a more than a "jot" for those in the industry that turned up and those that turned up to support them.