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Must suck for anyone who plays a musical instrument.
Hehe. I'm sorry.
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The standpoint of Art History seems wholly insufficient to properly consider the nuances of these issues, even with regards to Art. Surely the broader aspects relate to Anthropology, Philosophy, Linguistics, Sociology yadda yadda yadda.
I agree Recordari, This from Stanford's Art history dept.
Art History is a historical discipline that seeks to reintegrate the work of art into the original context of its making and reception, foregrounding its significant status as both historical document and act of social communication. At the same time, Art History seeks to understand the ways in which the work of art transcends the historical moment of its production, taking on a range of different meanings in later historical periods, including our own. As part of their visual training, students of Art History become proficient in cultural analysis and historical interpretation. Art History thus envisions itself as uniquely well positioned to train students from a variety of disciplines in the light of the dramatic visual turn that has gripped the humanities and the sciences over the course of the last decade, with more and more disciplines becoming vitally interested in visual forms and modes of communication.
Not so much an end in itself.
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It is nothing personal, Chris, but you do not have the faintest idea what you are talking about, as that Wikipedia piece you posted shows.
I don't know I just thought;
1. "Spirit Resonance," or vitality, and seems to translate to the nervous energy transmitted from the artist into the work. The overall energy of a work of art. Xie He said that without Spirit Resonance, there was no need to look further.
overlaps somewhat with the modern vocabulary for aesthetic appraisal of paintings as art.
http://www.allembassies.com/china/img/ma_lin_chinese_painting_big.jpg
Listening to the Pines, ink on silk, 13th Century, Ma Lin.
Why isn't it art Paul? How how was the the artist's concept of art different from a post renaissance western artist?
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the art history departments don't teach what I think is art, so they must be wrong. Protip: perhaps they know what they are talking about, perhaps you are wrong; and perhaps your 'strong sense' about my learning is just your blind prejudice.
It's nothing Personal Paul, although you will find that the courses offered at NZ universities may be slightly more international in flavor, you're not special, most Art History courses at most western universities follow similar trends,
I merely hoped to instill the notion that the 'Art' in the discipline you study; 'Art History', being confined to the definition
a European construct,
may explain your continued failure to convert readers away from their more encompassing understanding of the term, to your confined institutionalized version.
More succinctly, the fact that so many disagree with you as to what constitutes 'Art', should be food for thought as to the relevance of the definitions you so readily consume and regurgitate.
Generally speaking, you wouldn't win much kudos at a cocktail party opening a diatribe about art theory/ anthropology, stating "I'm an Art (a European construct) Historian"
Theodor Adorno claimed in 1969 “It is self-evident that nothing concerning art is self-evident.”
I'd favor Kennick's "no definition of art is possible anymore"
Certainly our 21st C definition of Art is informed by your own outmoded institutional version Paul, but it remains to be seen how adequately the Art History institution can allow itself to be informed and redefine its limited appraisal of what 'Art' is, in order to represent a more holistic history of art, and cross the threshold into the realm of the globally relevant.
As you mentioned, it's time to move on.
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Thanks Islander, I am learning a great deal from this thread too...
I feel I have to say; Giovanni, you have shown remarkable restraint, patience and humility, providing cogent measured responses whilst bearing most of the brunt. -
in using my family name i'm honour bound to stand by what i say...
Maybe your family is just a little too strict Robbie.
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Don't despair recordari, there's no reason to.
Paul this may be of interest;
The Six principles of Chinese painting were established by Xie He(also known as Hsieh Ho), a writer, art historian and critic in 6th century China. He is most famous for his "Six points to consider when judging a painting" (绘画六法, Pinyin:Huìhuà Liùfǎ), taken from the preface to his book "The Record of the Classification of Old Painters" (古画品录; Pinyin: Gǔhuà Pǐnlù). Keep in mind that this was written circa 550 A.D. and refers to "old" and "ancient" practices. The six elements that define a painting are:
1. "Spirit Resonance," or vitality, and seems to translate to the nervous energy transmitted from the artist into the work. The overall energy of a work of art. Xie He said that without Spirit Resonance, there was no need to look further.
2. "Bone Method," or the way of using the brush. This refers not only to texture and brush stroke, but to the close link between handwriting and personality. In his day, the art of calligraphy was inseparable from painting.
3. "Correspondence to the Object," or the depicting of form, which would include shape and line.
4. "Suitability to Type," or the application of color, including layers, value and tone.
5. "Division and Planning," or placing and arrangement, corresponding to composition, space and depth.
6. "Transmission by Copying," or the copying of models, not only from life but also the works of antiquity.Xie He 550AD
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Looking at Art history papers offered at almost any Western University, it can be observed that Academic Art History allows little more than footnote space to anything beyond the confines of the European tradition and is almost entirely void of references to any influence of global cultural cross-pollination prior to The Renaissance.
The Courtauld Institute of Art;
http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/degreeprogrammes/postgraduate/ma/MAstructure.shtml
http://www.courtauld.ac.uk/degreeprogrammes/undergraduate/BAstructure.shtml
Art History optionals offered at Nottingham University's 3 year BA(Hons) program;
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ugstudy/modules.php?code=000737&mod_year=optional
Year 2
Study trip abroad to a centre of art in Italy or Northern Europe.
etc etc.Personally I've felt Paul has been running this gambit to get us to donate the fare for his grand tour, I get a strong sense of too many books, not enough observation of art.
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You're right, Russell. I agree, and will steer well clear, it was a loaded question by the journalist concerned. I haven't seen the video, but I think you also hit another nail on the head with regard to my comparison to those banned films,
video featuring the consequence-free slaughter and dismemberment of women.
in that the idiom generally requires the wronged victim to enact brutal revenge.
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He's too hiphopified for 111 Islander,
Some funny puns going on with 'jammy' in that video Sacha.