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DRM is not terribly helpful in this regard.
it doesn't have to be unhelpful either. its just software locks, you can port software ownership to new platforms now. I think its fair to expect that to be applicable to future platforms, in the future, but not to all platforms now. you buy the track to itunes, you load it onto your ipod, you play that ipod through multiple systems. if that works as advertised then that's a reasonable deal I think, it would be great if it recognised your license across multiple platforms but technology is not at that stage and to expect retailers to put their product out there and not attempt to protect it or strive for protection of it isn't very reasonable, insightful or helpful.
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What's an acceptable percentage of users who can use the DRM content they paid for versus users who paid but get squat?
hold your horses sam, I'm just waiting for some more info from russell be forgoing any further.
I would sat that there is a zero percentage of failure acceptable, but that if I bought something for an advertised function and it didn't do that function then I am protected under the consumer guarantees act, and that if I was a manufacturer producing an item which didn't do what it was supposed to do then I would try and fix that, or reasonably expect to go out of business, and be replaced by someone who can offer the same product or service reliably.
I don't think that this would require me to provide my services or product without copy protection, just copy protection that worked. it its killing the product dead straight off I'd say that is a clear example of doesn't work, if its allowing the product to be played in itunes and synced to an ipod, I'd say that is working within acceptable limits for now. I'd like to hear specific examples of "I bought this track and downloaded it to my xxx player for which it was designed and it didn't work". Then I'd like to hear what the retailer had to say about it. -
The music you buy could commit you to that one player forever. Which given how fast technology is moving in this area is pretty unrealistic.
with all due respect kyle perhaps you and I shouldn't engage in conversation kyle, you remember what happened last time.
your points however are flawed.
do you still use the same cd player you first bought (in my case a sony portable with a battery the size of a remote control) that machine is long gone but I can still play my cds even on my dvd player, cos the company has brought out newer format compatible players as I would expect them to, until the format is abandoned, like VHS and 8mm tape is being right now.And the fuel that I put in my car isn't yet worth more than the car, not the case once I've purchased a dozen or so albums online in relation to my player.
I wasn't talking about fuel in terms of its cost relative to the cost of the machine you run it on, just in terms of applicability to the machine you were running.
your application of my analogy doesn't quite stand up though.
an mp3 isn't worth more than a player, multiple purchases might be but then you put multiple loads of fuel into your car on a weekly basis and it is easily worth more than the price of your car these days, just like a life time of vinyl is more than a turntable, and doesn't play in the modern players.
I personally think a purchase of a music track is a purchase of a lisence to own that track for life, independent of media.
I think that this is being restricted in the past more because to not restrict it in the past would me complete loss of control of distribution, not that media distributors want to deny you easy access to your purchased music, just because they haven't figured technology to enable this to happen without abuse by third parties. -
can you see why people might not want to buy music that can only work on a particular system which they then become locked into?
isn't that what we have been doing with CD (only playable on a cd compatible player), Vinyl (only playable on a turntable or with a sharpened fingernail) VHS tape (VHS machine), DAT, and even mp3 (they don't play on my turntable or fingernail). apply that to most other consumer products, they work within specific boundaries (vacuum cleaner bags, batteries, pen refills etc).
Why should we expect music downloads to work any differently?
I think the biggest issue with music downloads is you're paying a reasonable amount of money for a downgraded music source, and that most listeners don't seem to care about that issue over the artist and industry trying to maintain a level of control over their products distribution. That's why I would never buy an mp3 until it was at full quality resolution. I'll buy the cd and make my own copy. -
If only. If I download DRMd music from Vodafone or Digirama to my computer, it doesn't play on my computer ...
are you saying all files downloaded from vodafone and digiama do not play on your computer or occasional ones, and do you think it is just your computer they won't play on or is it all computers, so all people downloading from these sources can't play them on computers?
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in truck off etc thread
robbery saidif you pay for a download its playable on the platform you down load it on.
Don Christie said
That is also incorrect. Try again.
But even were to to be right, consider this, if your main music system is not connected to your main Internet system where does that leave you?
Pretty screwed as a customer, so you are wrong, again...
politely addressing your comments don
aside from the broad generalisation that infers everyone who buys music downloads can't make them work
if you're downloading music with drm in it and you download it to your computer and it doesn't play on your ipod (itunes) or Zune (what ever they use) then you're buying the wrong product.its as sill as saying I bought diesel and it doesn't work in my regular 91 burning mazda 323.
if you downloaded the right thing for your player lets say itunes, and it doesn't play then you have bought faulty goods and you should return them for a full refund, let the retailer you bought them off know they're broken and hopefully they'll correct the problem, cos they're in the business of selling music and obviously selling a track that can't play is going to put em out of business. I think its fair to assume that they reasonably want to supply you with music that is actually playable on one system of your choosing. if that system is an ipod then it is mobile and can be plugged into any other stereo.lets just say you had an ipod.
download to your itunes, sync your ipod, and then you can play said song on you computer in itunes, and any other player by hooking your ipod into said system. if you're in the car either plug your ipod directly into the system via mini jack or get one of those itrip fm transmitters to pump your music through a free frequency of your choice.assuming all this works as it should how are you not getting access to the music you purchased? can I have a real life example of how you have had an unsatisfactory experience with music your downloaded?
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RB has a bee in his bonnet?
How come I only see you (robbery) post on here about how DRM and how DRM free is wrong.trucks.
sam f?
I think that when russell continually focuses on that feature it inflates a negative attitude toward people trying to protect their distribution. Only a couple of days ago russell was objecting to media hyping drug issues making them seem worse than russell thought they were. its a roll reversal of that situation.
I'm happy to not mention it again if russell is happy to focus on things like quality of offered download. surely that's much more important.don, I'd love to but I won't.
Why is it apparently so easy to mobilise truckies in protest over a tiny additional charge, as opposed to fuel prices that are going to slowly throttle some of them anyway?
I thought the same thing. are they going to mobilise against the a revamped rail system encroaching on their livelihood.
someone's hurt by every forward move it seems. fair enough they have something to say about it, hard to defend their position though in light of environmental issues. -
hey james, whatever happened to your site, it was a really good resource for a while back there,
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politely ask
sure thing, politeness works with me
I'm just unsure why russell keeps pushing his drm thing, and will pick him up on it where every he pushes it,but back to trucks,
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absolutely no question
so that's a no on acquiring 'exclusive ownership' of my 'vintage' footage?
part of my point was you state it like its the big thing about it, but surely the quality of the media is far more of a selling point than the disproportional amount of attention you give to its copy protection. I notice you listed drm free first. bee in you bonnet?