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Rubbish. You have been very badly informed
and your experience and expertise in this field is?
you didn't read my other comments.
I said effective can mean many things.
I said the alternative of not coming up with a solution is much worse than the inconvenience of not being able to play mp3's on your zune,and yeah, there are many ways to attack the issue, like checking everyone's net traffic. personally I'd rather have drm and pretend it works than that but you guys keep going at the drm is evil thing and see what comes next. maybe you'll wish you'd bitten the bullet and stuck with the evil you know.
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sorry, should have quoted.
Back to my beef: I can illegally download music at much better quality than I can legitimately buy it at. That's crazy.
so shouldn't you be pushing for and making noise to get better quality downloads available via these sources and effective drm that lets you play these purchases on your multiple sources rather than the narrow focus of drm is bad full stop. look to nick d's future, where everything is happy and push to have those features included in your Utopian world, but be realistic. media owners have to strive to control their product. the whole world can't be earning their living off advertising and selling t shirts. sometimes the end product is the end product and not just a means to earn money off diversions.
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Back to my beef: I can illegally download music at much better quality than I can legitimately buy it at. That's crazy.
so shouldn't you be pushing for and making noise to get better quality downloads available via these sources and effective drm that lets you play these purchases on your multiple sources rather than the narrow focus of drm is bad full stop. look to nick d's future, where everything is happy and push to have those features included in your Utopian world, but be realistic. media owners have to strive to control their product. the whole world can't be earning their living off advertising and selling t shirts. sometimes the end product is the end product and not just a means to earn money off diversions.
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The problem with DRM is that it only effects those that are trying to do things legally.
not only affects you though, it affects anyone pirating your copies. I think drm is workable, and a viable solution, its just in draft stage at present. seems it can stop piracy for some, maybe not all,
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there is no such thing as "effective DRM"
depends on how you gauge "effective".
I would say that effective in these circumstances would be to take the edge off 'piss easy to steal" making it "hard for the technically stupid", and maybe even eating away at the "mildly ok on a computer but not that great" group, which lets face it is a large part of the computer users out there. If it wasn't as easy as picking it up and walking out the store with it then it would have a great effect on the music market.Suggest to who?
in your comments in this discussion. it was straight to the "I will not support an artists who inconveniences me in the course of them trying to secure their own livelihood" argument, which is one that russell has put forward too.
And I'm the one with the attitude problem?
hell no, I've got bad attitude coming out my shane carter curled upper lip. Apparently drm isn't impossible as it stopped you enough to banish said artist from your list, but a solution to both problems would have been downloadable versions accessible by you and a non copyable disc. you get to listen to the music you like, and people who didn't play the game don't. simple, in theory.
Shouldn't that be enough?
in an ideal world yes, but then you're not really the problem are you, but surely you can see that making life easier for you is making the problem worse because others not like you are taking advantage of that concession to you. A lot of musicians are doing the release on vinyl and download for free thing, and vinyl is sort of a drm in itself since you can't easily get an exact copy of its content into your computer to share freely.
anyway, as you mentioned this argument has been had, and we're merely making more advert hits for russell to profit from in his effort to rival google as evil overlord of cash. luckily I've got ad blocker. wonder if that still registers as an ad hit for his clients?
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there is no such thing as "effective DRM"
depends on how you gauge "effective".
I would say that effective in these circumstances would be to take the edge off 'piss easy to steal" making it "hard for the technically stupid", and maybe even eating away at the "mildly ok on a computer but not that great" group, which lets face it is a large part of the computer users out there. If it wasn't as easy as picking it up and walking out the store with it then it would have a great effect on the music market.Suggest to who?
in your comments in this discussion. it was straight to the "I will not support an artists who inconveniences me in the course of them trying to secure their own livelihood" argument, which is one that russell has put forward too.
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they're guilted
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scum sucking?
that was meant in the latin sense of the term, :)
you know what I mean, we're not that pretty a species if you look at the general behaviour of genus over the course of our existence on this planet. The true and noble nature that we aspire to and like to see ourselves as portraying are more commonly the exception rather than the rule. Still, no harm in aspiring to be good things I suppose but to expect that that is how we're going to behave as a species would be naive. People steal because they can, they'll stop when they're made to, either by being forced to through DRM making it a bloody pain to pirate, or more of a pain than it would be to go through legitimate channels, or if their guilted in to it by society who play against type and look to the big picture and fairness,
A combination of both would be a safer bet.
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You may as well say "They could stop it with a change in attitude" and leave it at that. DRM is useless if people are prepared to pirate music; it is pointless if they aren't.
well yes, but that doesn't take into account that man at his inner core is a scum sucking thieving opportunist and given the easy option to steal without consequence he will, as is proven by the swell in piracy.
accepting that trait in ourselves and doing the best to change our attitude then effective drm removes that last edge of temptation.Happened to me once. No doubt I could have found a utility to rip it properly but it pissed me off so much I binned the CD and vowed never to spend a thin dime on the artist again.
which would be a fine example of the attitude that needs to change. why Didn't't you suggest that DRM on cd is fine so long as it is accompanied by access to downloadable versions of the tracks free of charge to a legitimate buyer. wouldn't that have achieved the same goal, ie you with your disc and copies on all players you as a legal owner are entitled to, and an amount difficulty in mass copying that an unprotected disc would promote. All these hissy fit from consumers showing no understanding of the problems music makers face and focusing purely on their own personal inconvenience. That's no way to mediate a mutually agreeable solution.
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They can't stop it with copy protection.
They could stop it with a change of attitude and copy protection though. If media commentators explained the necessity for it and encouraged respect for the media it controlled.
If society frowned on piracy instead of looking at it as a right and any attempt to stem it as inconvenience then perhaps the music industry might not be rushing as quickly to its death with people leaving the industry as some in games do. I mean if your end objective is to force artists out of the industry then fine, go ahead and push the envelope, but if you want them to stick around and push their art to new places then contemplate really how inconvenient is DRM as opposed to a fragmented and sporadic music market.